Scotland Debate

[Foxholer]

Nah! £400,000? I'd have to sell an acre of my land to be able to afford to do that

Half an acre could do it, with some to spare, in your neck of the world!

 

[Val]

Except the young lady was saying that her family would be divided if Scotland vote YES. Poppycock, If Scotland votes YES I am not going to be parted in any way from from my mum, brother, sister, aunts, uncles, 14 first cousins etc who all live in Scotland. So no divisions whatsoever unless you manufacture them in your own head,

I think you are looking to far into it.

 

[SocketRocket]

More likely the neighbours that they're trying to get away from.

Thats a bit of a slur on fellow Scots!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So do 80% of first generation Scots think they have a better chance in life away from Scotland?

I think it is a better chance of earning a decent wage rather than a better life.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Another bad day in the office http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ack-on-mother-who-spoke-up-for-the-Union.html

And just for balance it was cancelled out by the Darling boy's Third Reich 'blood and soil' reference.

I shall leave it to you to understand which one is more offensive.

 

[Hobbit]

And just for balance it was cancelled out by the Darling boy's Third Reich 'blood and soil' reference.

I shall leave it to you to understand which one is more offensive.

Total Rubbish Doon, and typical of the spin that Nationalists are putting out. It was the New Statesman's journalist who used that term, and Alaister Darling's reply to him had a far wider definition. Alex Salmond picked the term used by the journo and part of Darling's response, and spun it by linking it to Nazi-ism.

Although I didn't like Salmond, I admired his political ability. But with the depths the SNP have plumbed in recent weeks I feel nothing but distaste for him and the way the campaign has been run. What could have been a noble proposition for independence and the future of Scotland has been dirtied by the base level the SNP have stooped to in recent weeks.

 

[Old Skier]

And just for balance it was cancelled out by the Darling boy's Third Reich 'blood and soil' reference.

I shall leave it to you to understand which one is more offensive.

Thats were you always fail. Both are offensive and anyone that uses these tactics should be hounded from office but unfortunatly you tend at times to be a tad blinkered and take sides when it comes to the who's negative/offensive.
A fault that we can all fall into at times but the Yes side seem to do it with venom.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Total Rubbish Doon, and typical of the spin that Nationalists are putting out. It was the New Statesman's journalist who used that term, and Alaister Darling's reply to him had a far wider definition. Alex Salmond picked the term used by the journo and part of Darling's response, and spun it by linking it to Nazi-ism.

Although I didn't like Salmond, I admired his political ability. But with the depths the SNP have plumbed in recent weeks I feel nothing but distaste for him and the way the campaign has been run. What could have been a noble proposition for independence and the future of Scotland has been dirtied by the base level the SNP have stooped to in recent weeks.

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.ph...ing-casts-doubt-on-blood-and-soil-nationalism

Ye at heart!!

 

[Hobbit]

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.ph...ing-casts-doubt-on-blood-and-soil-nationalism

Ye at heart!!

I suggest you get the actual text of what was said by both parties in the original interview, and read it in context. The within quotes was most definitely not said by Darling. That's not even in the version that Alex Salmond misquoted. But hey, if it suits your blinkered belief to take onboard the spun version, knock yourself out.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think it is a better chance of earning a decent wage rather than a better life.

Absolutely agree. I may earn more than I would in Scotland but compared with living in Surrey (which might sound all nice and dandy) I get the feeling that living in Scotland would provide me with a better quality of life - though I think the same about living in North Derbyshire or South Yorkshire (where we may move in the coming few years). As much as SW Surrey is a nice area in which to live I don't really have as good a quality of living as I might - the fact that the cost of living is astronomical (only in fact a minor dose of hyperbole there) doesn't help, as nor does the traffic.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I suggest you get the actual text of what was said by both parties in the original interview, and read it in context. The within quotes was most definitely not said by Darling. That's not even in the version that Alex Salmond misquoted. But hey, if it suits your blinkered belief to take onboard the spun version, knock yourself out.

He agreed with the blood and soil bit, that can't be denied.

Anyway, yesterdays news and todays chippie wrappers.

Interesting to see that DR poll...IF Cameron was a cert to win next year (and I think he is) YES jumps massively into the lead.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Interesting to see that DR poll...IF Cameron was a cert to win next year (and I think he is) YES jumps massively into the lead.

Which is massively depressing. Everyone's vote is theirs to use as they see fit but it's a sad reflection if anyone uses such a short term view as part of their decision. It's as bad as the "how would you vote if you were £500 better off" question.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Which is massively depressing. Everyone's vote is theirs to use as they see fit but it's a sad reflection if anyone uses such a short term view as part of their decision. It's as bad as the "how would you vote if you were £500 better off" question.

Maybe,maybe not.The vast majority of folk in Scotland cannot see any kind of common ground with the likes of Cameron/Osbourne...they've lived a life lightyears away from that of your normal Scot.At least Ruth Davidson is a 'normal' person, same applies to Salmond and Lamont.The political elite in Westminster ( front benches) are privately schooled professional politicians with no understanding of life in Scotland.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Maybe,maybe not.The vast majority of folk in Scotland cannot see any kind of common ground with the likes of Cameron/Osbourne...they've lived a life lightyears away from that of your normal Scot.At least Ruth Davidson is a 'normal' person, same applies to Salmond and Lamont.The political elite in Westminster ( front benches) are privately schooled professional politicians with no understanding of life in Scotland.

Don't disagree just think it's a lousy reason to vote for independence.

 

[MegaSteve]

The political elite in Westminster ( front benches) are privately schooled professional politicians with no understanding of life in Scotland.

I'd just like to point out, if I may, they have no comprehension of 'life' in general NOT just for in Scotland...

 

[Val]

Maybe,maybe not.The vast majority of folk in Scotland cannot see any kind of common ground with the likes of Cameron/Osbourne...they've lived a life lightyears away from that of your normal Scot.At least Ruth Davidson is a 'normal' person, same applies to Salmond and Lamont.The political elite in Westminster ( front benches) are privately schooled professional politicians with no understanding of life in Scotland.

Unlike the face of the yes camp who know day to day living in Scotland

The only difference is they are Scottish, do you think Alex Salmond knows what days his bins go out and what goes in the blue/green/black bin?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Don't disagree just think it's a lousy reason to vote for independence.

I agree it's lousy but isn't it just a symptom of an underlying malaise that needs addressing. Independence may be a sledgehammer but with DevoMax removed as a referendum option, and apparent Westminster reticence to support the 'additional powers for Holyrood' being suggested by BT, some folks might ask what else is there to cure the malaise.

There does appear to be a huge disconnect between the Scottish electorate and Westminster - especially the Tories - and the prospect of one, two or three more Tory-led Westminster governments just isn't a very attractive proposition.

However for the Scottish electorate to be weighing up Tory Westminster Governments against an Indep Scotland is to me a bit like comparing apples and oranges - but that is one comparison that's being made. And if you are hungry and really don't like oranges - you are more likely to eat the apple - whether you like them or not. And you might never find the banana that you really crave.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Long term I think the SE of England will be moving to the right, with a sort of UKIP/Tory coalition.
The majority of the UK's population live in the SE of England so they will always control the UK politics.

Scottish folk would, I believe, wish to move a tad to the left and present a more fair and equal society. One that does not have food banks, one where the young generation can afford to buy their own home, and one were we pay a living wage instead of the MINIMUM wage.

 

[MegaSteve]

Long term I think the SE of England will be moving to the right...

Not really the case at recent Euro/council elections where London 'moved' to the left and voted Labour...

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Unlike the face of the yes camp who know day to day living in Scotland

The only difference is they are Scottish, do you think Alex Salmond knows what days his bins go out and what goes in the blue/green/black bin?

I think Salmond/Davidson/Lamont know a hell of alot more about 'normal' life than Milliband/Cameron/Osbourne.