Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm of the belief that Scotland and rUK will have agreements in place to supercede even the reciprocal health agreements already in place for all EU member states (fill your boots), even more so than the reciprocal health agreements we currently have with our Antipodean cousins.

Just now our NHS is a totally different concept to England/Wales version but they seem to work well side by side, I can't see that ending.

I'm constantly bemused by unionists telling us we can't afford to go it alone ( and therefore we're subsidised by England) but are so keen to keep us part of the union.I just don't get that.

So you want to go alone but still have "agreements in place" to help you out ? You can afford it but you want agreements

Our NHS works well with yours because we fall under the same nation currently - you go independent then you "go alone" and you will have the same admission rights as any other EU member ( when you get into the EU ).

You want to go alone and you want independence - are you really going alone when you will want "agreements" in place

As JK Rowling has said - the dangers out there are no different for an Independent Scotland as they are for other countries so I'm not sure how you can be better alone.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

So you want to go alone but still have "agreements in place" to help you out ? You can afford it but you want agreements

Our NHS works well with yours because we fall under the same nation currently - you go independent then you "go alone" and you will have the same admission rights as any other EU member ( when you get into the EU ).

You want to go alone and you want independence - are you really going alone when you will want "agreements" in place

As JK Rowling has said - the dangers out there are no different for an Independent Scotland as they are for other countries so I'm not sure how you can be better alone.

I don't want to go it alone, I want the ability to be held responsible for the choices my country makes, I want to be a citizen of a responsible country with a cordial and friendly partnership with ruk.NHS Scotland is completely seperate from NHS in England, seperate countries run them and yet they seem to work well together.

Some folk who want the union preserved will take the hump and refuse to have anything to do with Scotland if we vote yes.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's another example of what the division of the UK is, a split of a family. No one is suggesting actual families will be split up.

Except the young lady was saying that her family would be divided if Scotland vote YES. Poppycock, If Scotland votes YES I am not going to be parted in any way from from my mum, brother, sister, aunts, uncles, 14 first cousins etc who all live in Scotland. So no divisions whatsoever unless you manufacture them in your own head,

 

[Foxholer]

Has SILH finally decided to take a punt? :rofl:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...15/Man-bets-400000-on-Scotland-saying-no.html

 

[FairwayDodger]

Except the young lady was saying that her family would be divided if Scotland vote YES. Poppycock, If Scotland votes YES I am not going to be parted in any way from from my mum, brother, sister, aunts, uncles, 14 first cousins etc who all live in Scotland. So no divisions whatsoever unless you manufacture them in your own head,

No, you're not. But.... you'll be British and they won't. Maybe that doesn't make a whole lot of difference but it goes to our identity and some of us will feel affected.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't want to go it alone, I want the ability to be held responsible for the choices my country makes, I want to be a citizen of a responsible country with a cordial and friendly partnership with ruk.NHS Scotland is completely seperate from NHS in England, seperate countries run them and yet they seem to work well together.

Some folk who want the union preserved will take the hump and refuse to have anything to do with Scotland if we vote yes.

So you want nations to be United together and working together ? Isn't that the UK anyway ?

Sorry but you are voting to go it alone - to be independent from the rest of the countries in the UK - you can't have the cake and have all the good bits. Go independent and go alone - you keep saying you can afford to go alone - well then go alone - don't pick and choose what partnerships will be good for you and which ones won't be.

If Scotland want to be independent then be independent and they countries you decided to leave will make theirs decisions for the good of them not of an independent Scotland.

 

[c1973]

Except the young lady was saying that her family would be divided if Scotland vote YES. Poppycock, If Scotland votes YES I am not going to be parted in any way from from my mum, brother, sister, aunts, uncles, 14 first cousins etc who all live in Scotland. So no divisions whatsoever unless you manufacture them in your own head,

No, but you might need a passport to visit them.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No, you're not. But.... you'll be British and they won't. Maybe that doesn't make a whole lot of difference but it goes to our identity and some of us will feel affected.

Nope - first and foremost I'll still and will always be Scottish. What it says on my passport is what it says in my passport. Wouldn't divide me from my family any more than living in Surrey does. Of my wider family out to and including my aunts, uncles and 14 first cousins (and their kids etc) only one other lives outside of Scotland - and she was born here. So I am 'the one who left Scotland to live in England'

So the young ladies 'divided' family - doesn't have to be unless that's what she wants.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Has SILH finally decided to take a punt? :rofl:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...15/Man-bets-400000-on-Scotland-saying-no.html

Nah! £400,000? I'd have to sell an acre of my land to be able to afford to do that

 

[FairwayDodger]

Nope - first and foremost I'll still and will always be Scottish. What it says on my passport is what it says in my passport. Wouldn't divide me from my family any more than living in Surrey does. Of my wider family out to and including my aunts, uncles and 14 first cousins (and their kids etc) only one other lives outside of Scotland - and she was born here. So I am 'the one who left Scotland to live in England'

So the young ladies 'divided' family - doesn't have to be unless that's what she wants.

I don't think she "wants" to be divided but, as I said, this about our individual identity. You feel Scottish and that won't change great, for you. Some of us feel British but wouldn't be any longer. I don't think you should denigrate anyone concerned about that loss just because it doesn't bother you. (And, in fact, doesn't even affect you.)

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Has SILH finally decided to take a punt? :rofl:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...15/Man-bets-400000-on-Scotland-saying-no.html

Probably FredBet laying off.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don't think she "wants" to be divided but, as I said, this about our individual identity. You feel Scottish and that won't change great, for you. Some of us feel British but wouldn't be any longer. I don't think you should denigrate anyone concerned about that loss just because it doesn't bother you. (And, in fact, doesn't even affect you.)

Is she not though implying the family division she fears is something she can do nothing about. She might feel that way but to be honest it's no different from what my dad said to me when I told my folks that I was going to live and work in England It might well be her reason for voting NO but I'm not sure how real the emotion behind it actually is. Anyway - each to his and her own.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Is she not though implying the family division she fears is something she can do nothing about. She might feel that way but to be honest it's no different from what my dad said to me when I told my folks that I was going to live and work in England It might well be her reason for voting NO but I'm not sure how real the emotion behind it actually is. Anyway - each to his and her own.

She is an 18 year old girl who would like her family to stay under the same umbrella - She doesn't believe that will happen if their is a yes vote - it's her emotions and her fears and they are just being dismissed. Everything just gets dismissed.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

She is an 18 year old girl who would like her family to stay under the same umbrella - She doesn't believe that will happen if their is a yes vote - it's her emotions and her fears and they are just being dismissed. Everything just gets dismissed.

Bit of a non story really.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Bit of a non story really.

Is it ? Not to the girl in question.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Is it ? Not to the girl in question.

The Scots are well known for their traveling.
I think there are four times as many first generation Scots in the world than those who live in Scotland.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Scots are well known for their traveling.
I think there are four times as many first generation Scots in the world than those who live in Scotland.

That still doesn't make the young girls point any less relevant or a non story

 

[SocketRocket]

The Scots are well known for their traveling.
I think there are four times as many first generation Scots in the world than those who live in Scotland.

So do 80% of first generation Scots think they have a better chance in life away from Scotland?

 

[Iaing]

More likely the neighbours that they're trying to get away from.

 

[Old Skier]

Another bad day in the office http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ack-on-mother-who-spoke-up-for-the-Union.html