Scotland Debate

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So if it's a NO this time - in 15 years or so time do the Scottish electorate get another go? Who says a NO is forever. A YES might be - but a NO? Meanwhile to get a NO this time throw the Scottish electorate sweeties suggesting a path to DevoMax - except they'll realise DevoMax is what the sweeties don't lead to - and so next time - after another 3 Tory-led Westminster governments?

 

[CMAC]

So if it's a NO this time - in 15 years or so time do the Scottish electorate get another go? Who says a NO is forever. A YES might be - but a NO? Meanwhile to get a NO this time throw the Scottish electorate sweeties suggesting a path to DevoMax - except they'll realise DevoMax is what the sweeties don't lead to - and so next time - after another 3 Tory-led Westminster governments?

piggin hope not, can you imagine another 15 years of this forum 'discussion'

 

[c1973]

Was it the last world cup when we Scots could say that we were supporting Scotland in the world Cup Finals.


I think it was a lad called Scotland who was playing for Falkirk [or maybe St Johnstone] and T&T.

No thanks...........it is the way it is said and interpreted that counts..........I thought it was quite clever.

Re England support, seems to me that England, like Scotland, have quite a few of their own countrymen/women who do not support them. Does that make them bigots to, or is that too hard to work out?

Jim Baxter had a wee game of keepy uppy in the middle of the park and his team mates toyed with the World Champions before giving them a comprehensive drubbing.

Seems like only yesterday to me.

1966 in black and white
1967 in colour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqhNqNtCinM

Great finish from The Lawman.

I started the Rangers thread and this one.
I think the Rangers post went to 5,000 + posts and scrillions of views.
The Rangers one was lightly modded as well, big cheer to the Mods for allowing two potential powder kegs from exploding.

I can never understand why some towns/ cities are considered Northern [Sheffield] whilst more Northern towns [Grimsby] are Midlands.

Even funnier to us Scots is when the BBC weather man giving the UK weather report says 'and in the north' whilst pointing to Liverpool.
That's nearly South when it comes to the UK.

Tends to support my thought that Manchester/Liverpool are nearly in the Midlands if the Oop North line is from the Humber to the Mersey.

So Glockasshire is in the Midlands and Naarfolk is in the South..........that does not make any sense whatsoever.

Come on folks this thread is about the effect Scottish independence will or will not have on the UK.

It has been enlightening to me and I hope others please try to keep it that way.

Please do.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

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Please do.

Yeah! well done. That must have taken up quite a bit of your [slightly sad] time.

You know I only made the plea as the Mods were disappointed the way the thread was heading

Edit ........Perhaps I should have put a comma after 'others' on my earlier post.

 

[c1973]

Yeah! well done. That must have taken up quite a bit of your [slightly sad] time.

You know I only made the plea as the Mods were disappointed the way the thread was heading

Edit ........Perhaps I should have put a comma after 'others' on my earlier post.

Not really, couple of minutes at most. Only went back a day.

I only responded to your (slightly sanctimonious) post to highlight the hypocritical nature (imo) of it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Not really, couple of minutes at most. Only went back a day.

I only responded to your (slightly sanctimonious) post to highlight the hypocritical nature (imo) of it.

Guilty as charged.

 

[Val]

So if it's a NO this time - in 15 years or so time do the Scottish electorate get another go? Who says a NO is forever. A YES might be - but a NO? Meanwhile to get a NO this time throw the Scottish electorate sweeties suggesting a path to DevoMax - except they'll realise DevoMax is what the sweeties don't lead to - and so next time - after another 3 Tory-led Westminster governments?

It was a no in 1979 so maybe another 35 years

 

[Dodger]

I will support any team but 'them'....anyone.

Call me a bigot if you wish.

Will never support them at anything,the same way as I will never support Estonia, Cyprus, Mexico and anyone else I have no tie to,oh unless they are playing England of course.:smirk:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I will support any team but 'them'....anyone.

Call me a bigot if you wish.

Will never support them at anything,the same way as I will never support Estonia, Cyprus, Mexico and anyone else I have no tie to,oh unless they are playing England of course.:smirk:

I would never expect anyone outside England to support England - why should they ? And it certainly isnt being a bigot - its called rivalry between two coutnries very close to each other

 

[Rumpokid]

I will support any team but 'them'....anyone.

Call me a bigot if you wish.

Will never support them at anything,the same way as I will never support Estonia, Cyprus, Mexico and anyone else I have no tie to,oh unless they are playing England of course.:smirk:

Likewise when the other lot play..Even when playing Peru, Iran,Georgia etc..

 

[Dodger]

Likewise when the other lot play..Even when playing Peru, Iran,Georgia etc..

Nobody ever supports the Welsh.

 

[SocketRocket]

I will support any team but 'them'....anyone.

Call me a bigot if you wish.

Will never support them at anything,the same way as I will never support Estonia, Cyprus, Mexico and anyone else I have no tie to,oh unless they are playing England of course.:smirk:

Guess you have to be a little bitter and bigoted if your national team is so rubbish that no one will have a chance to despise them again! :smirk:

 

[Foxholer]

Nobody ever supports the Welsh.

Well, it was a Welsh Rugby commentator that turned me into an ABE fan!

Always a dilemma for Kiwis when England play Australia - who do we want to lose most!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I will support any team but 'them'....anyone.

Call me a bigot if you wish.

Will never support them at anything,the same way as I will never support Estonia, Cyprus, Mexico and anyone else I have no tie to,oh unless they are playing England of course.:smirk:

I don't sit there desperately urging England on and I don't jump up and down when they score - but I don't support the opposition. I will be pleased when they win but won't be upset if they lose. In fact if I am totally honest a bit of me does a little smile to itself when England lose - sorry - can't just help it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

JK Rowling has donated £1mil to the Anti independence campaign

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/11/jk-rowling-donates-scotland-anti-independence-campaign


Couple of paragraphs stick out for me

"My hesitance at embracing independence has nothing to do with lack of belief in Scotland's remarkable people or its achievements. The simple truth is that Scotland is subject to the same 21st-century pressures as the rest of the world.

"It must compete in the same global markets, defend itself from the same threats and navigate what still feels like a fragile economic recovery. The more I listen to the yes campaign, the more I worry about its minimisation and even denial of risks.

"Whenever the big issues are raised – our heavy reliance on oil revenue if we become independent, what currency we'll use, whether we'll get back into the EU – reasonable questions are drowned out by accusations of 'scaremongering.' Meanwhile, dramatically differing figures and predictions are being slapped in front of us by both campaigns, so that it becomes difficult to know what to believe."

She continued: "If we leave, though, there will be no going back. This separation will not be quick and clean: it will take microsurgery to disentangle three centuries of close interdependence, after which we will have to deal with three bitter neighbours.

 

[c1973]

JK Rowling has donated £1mil to the Anti independence campaign

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/11/jk-rowling-donates-scotland-anti-independence-campaign


Couple of paragraphs stick out for me

"My hesitance at embracing independence has nothing to do with lack of belief in Scotland's remarkable people or its achievements. The simple truth is that Scotland is subject to the same 21st-century pressures as the rest of the world.

"It must compete in the same global markets, defend itself from the same threats and navigate what still feels like a fragile economic recovery. The more I listen to the yes campaign, the more I worry about its minimisation and even denial of risks.

"Whenever the big issues are raised – our heavy reliance on oil revenue if we become independent, what currency we'll use, whether we'll get back into the EU – reasonable questions are drowned out by accusations of 'scaremongering.' Meanwhile, dramatically differing figures and predictions are being slapped in front of us by both campaigns, so that it becomes difficult to know what to believe."

She continued: "If we leave, though, there will be no going back. This separation will not be quick and clean: it will take microsurgery to disentangle three centuries of close interdependence, after which we will have to deal with three bitter neighbours.

Very good points that she raises, particularly about the yes campaigns automatic response of 'scaremongering' when difficult questions are asked and the truth that it will be a protracted, bitter seperation.

I may be wrong, but I can see a lot of I'll feeling and resentment in Scotland in the future, regardless of which way the vote goes.

 

[Val]

Will there be a Harry Potter boycott I wonder.

 

[IanG]

It's worth reading all of JK's Blog piece

http://www.jkrowling.com/en_GB/#/news-events

Not only is it coherent, but among all the verbiage being spouted over this issue it reminds us how easy it is to follow something when it is well well written!

 

[MegaSteve]

JK Rowling has donated £1mil to the Anti independence campaign

Cue large amounts of 'hate mail' heading her way...

 

[Alan]

She must have wrote that during her many lunches with Samantha Cameron, not a secret her and jK are big buddies. They stay regularly in Aberfeldy at JK's house. Another David Cameron "friend"rolled out to bang the drum.