Ryder Cup 2025 - All matters
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Rlburnside
Challenge Tour Pro
Justin Thomas has gone up in my expectations, he tried to calm the crowd down when on the greens, and he was the first American to congratulate the Europeans.
The positive = Europe won.
The negative = until the result, yesterday was painful viewing.
On Saturday night I nearly posted a query about just how accurate are the World Rankings are, or aren’t. Yesterday saw the Americans play to their rankings and, unfortunately, the Europeans play to theirs.
As a side note, Rory’s form dipped half way through Saturday afternoon as the crowd got him. Yes, he still hit some great shots, perhaps bolstered by having Lowery with him but the cracks were there. Yesterday he was a shadow. Scheffler was there for the taking if Rory had come out of the blocks.
But the record books will show Europe winning.
The negative = until the result, yesterday was painful viewing.
On Saturday night I nearly posted a query about just how accurate are the World Rankings are, or aren’t. Yesterday saw the Americans play to their rankings and, unfortunately, the Europeans play to theirs.
As a side note, Rory’s form dipped half way through Saturday afternoon as the crowd got him. Yes, he still hit some great shots, perhaps bolstered by having Lowery with him but the cracks were there. Yesterday he was a shadow. Scheffler was there for the taking if Rory had come out of the blocks.
But the record books will show Europe winning.
irip
Head Pro
Nice one Tommy.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
First twelve points were 3-and-a-half to 8-and-a-half.
Last twelve points were 8-and-a-half to 3-and-a-half.
Perhaps the match was won with the 3 wins for Europe on Saturday afternoon?
That was Fitzpatrick and Hatton at the end of that session. And they added another point between them for Europe on Sunday. And Europe won by those two points?
Edge of the seat stuff near the end on Sunday always makes it memorable, though.
Last twelve points were 8-and-a-half to 3-and-a-half.
Perhaps the match was won with the 3 wins for Europe on Saturday afternoon?
That was Fitzpatrick and Hatton at the end of that session. And they added another point between them for Europe on Sunday. And Europe won by those two points?
Edge of the seat stuff near the end on Sunday always makes it memorable, though.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
He has been been class throughout - they all have and he is spot on
The US crowds put more energy into throwing hate at the Europeans than supporting their own players
sunshine
Well-known member
You obviously didn’t watch the Irish Open. The “patriotic” fans over stepped the mark
timd77
Assistant Pro
Shouting ‘get in the water’ is slightly different to shouting disgusting abuse at a player’s wife, chucking beer at her and the official MC getting a stand full of fans to chant ‘f*ck you Rory’. I mean, I could go on…
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Phew
Not wishing to split hairs or play with semantics, both what happened over the last few days and what happened at the Irish Open shouldn’t be tolerated.
If we move the the line to ‘get in the water’ being acceptable, where do we move the line to in the next x years?
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Worth noting that on Saturday the Americans had load of puts scrape past the hole or stop just short whereas we holed much more than our share of very big putts.
I had a feeling Sunday might turn to America and it did
Well played both teams, some stunning golf played on a poorly set up course [IMO]
I had a feeling Sunday might turn to America and it did
Well played both teams, some stunning golf played on a poorly set up course [IMO]
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Think there are levels - whilst that will a touch of poor sportsmanship and that wasn’t great to hear it’s nowhere near the levels of what was seen over the last 3/4 days
Don’t want to see either and the guys at the Irish were rightly criticised for it
It needs to be passionate and partisan without going over the line
timd77
Assistant Pro
Not saying it’s acceptable, but it’s a completely different ball park to what went on this weekend. If all that was being said was things like ‘you suck… get in the bunker…you’re a choker’ AFTER the shot had been played, in amongst supporting their own players, we wouldn’t be talking about the fans.
Robster59
Tour Rookie
Whichever way you look at it, the behaviour by the American supporters was totally unacceptable. It was tribalism with no concerns about the impact on people. The organisers should have controlled it better, rather than just let it run. I am not sure what was printed on the tickets, or at the time of booking, but minimal behaviour standards should be met or they could be ejected. There is nothing wrong with supporting your team, but they went too far.
My concern is that this becomes "the norm" at event such as these and takes us down a path that will be increasingly more difficult to turn around.
I think that at the next Ryder Cup, Europe should try to get their fans to set an example, to be more respectful to the players, their families and the game in general.
Interestingly, I listened to it on the radio and they said that as soon as Lowry sank the putt, there was a mass exodus of these "fans" from the course.
My concern is that this becomes "the norm" at event such as these and takes us down a path that will be increasingly more difficult to turn around.
I think that at the next Ryder Cup, Europe should try to get their fans to set an example, to be more respectful to the players, their families and the game in general.
Interestingly, I listened to it on the radio and they said that as soon as Lowry sank the putt, there was a mass exodus of these "fans" from the course.
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Orikoru
Tour Winner
Little update to this as I find it interesting. USA are now ahead of us in four-balls and singles, yet we are so good at foursomes that this has allowed us to win 5 of the last 7 cups.
(Changed colour scheme as per Sunshine's comment too.
)Swango1980
Well-known member
If one is the type to simply see things as black and white, then they'll just see things as wrong or right, and be unable to differentiate between two different things if they fall within the same category.
However, if you are the type to be able to differentiate between an incident that likely crosses the line into the wrong category, and another incident that is so far beyond it, then such questions are probably less relevant.
At one point early on, McIlroy was adjusting his top button and someone shouted out about him choking. In a subjective world, some will deem that unacceptable, other will find it amusing. I think McIlroy and Lowry saw the funny side of that. I don't think shouts like "Get in the Water" as the ball flies through the air have any class, but at same time I'm not offended by it, and don't mind a bit of that in a crowd made up of variable types of people.
However, chanting vulgar comments to players, homophobic slurs, making fun of family members and throwing drinks towards wives is so far beyond the line, it needs to be said. I can't recall what happened at the Irish Open, but it wasn't to the same degree as what we saw at the weekend? And the issue is, if anyone tries to use the Irish Open behaviour as a comparison, to suggest both situations are simply wrong, then it will be interpreted by some in the other way, that if it was ultimately tolerated in Ireland, then what happened this weekend was nothing worse and just becoming an acceptable part of fan involvement at golf events. It is the sort of excuse that could easily be used by one of those offensive American fans, as they will find one way or another to explain why there was nothing wrong with what they did.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I still reckon that when the MC on the first tee was getting the chants going, and specifically shouting "f u Rory", then it immediately sends the meddage to fans that this sort of support is not only acceptable, but desirable. I can imagine drunk and/or obnoxious fans going to town on that, or even impressionable kids finding it fantastic that they have excuse to shout naughy words at players. It did sem that things were much worse on the Saturday, the day the MC started these chants.
Arthur Wedge
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Orikoru
Tour Winner
Another thing I find interesting is player's scores in the Ryder Cup, as they tend to get forgotten and assumed they played badly if they lost and well if they won, which often isn't the case.
Lowry -6
Henley -6
Thomas -4
DeChambeau -4
Spaun -4 (17 holes)
Schauffele -4 (15 holes)
Fitzpatrick -3
Young -3
Fleetwood -2/-3 (no score recorded on Thomas's hole-out eagle)
Burns -2
Hatton -2
Morikawa -2
Rose -2
Aberg -2 (17 holes)
MacIntyre -1
McIlroy -1
Scheffler -1
Straka -1 (17 holes)
Griffin E
Cantlay E (17 holes)
Rahm E (15 holes)
Hojgaard +2
We touched on this already but you wouldn't have known Lowry actually played that well from the coverage, we hardly saw much of his round. And the big Rory v Scottie match was a bit of a damp squib really. Fitzpatrick is obviously going to take a couple of pelters for losing a 5 up lead, but he only had that lead because he was playing extraordinarily well - and he was up against one of their strongest players in Bryson. Griffin won a point despite only being level par, just happened to be facing the only player who was over par. Fleetwood and Rose obviously very unlucky to both lose on the 18th, which is what launched the American comeback really.
Lowry -6
Henley -6
Thomas -4
DeChambeau -4
Spaun -4 (17 holes)
Schauffele -4 (15 holes)
Fitzpatrick -3
Young -3
Fleetwood -2/-3 (no score recorded on Thomas's hole-out eagle)
Burns -2
Hatton -2
Morikawa -2
Rose -2
Aberg -2 (17 holes)
MacIntyre -1
McIlroy -1
Scheffler -1
Straka -1 (17 holes)
Griffin E
Cantlay E (17 holes)
Rahm E (15 holes)
Hojgaard +2
We touched on this already but you wouldn't have known Lowry actually played that well from the coverage, we hardly saw much of his round. And the big Rory v Scottie match was a bit of a damp squib really. Fitzpatrick is obviously going to take a couple of pelters for losing a 5 up lead, but he only had that lead because he was playing extraordinarily well - and he was up against one of their strongest players in Bryson. Griffin won a point despite only being level par, just happened to be facing the only player who was over par. Fleetwood and Rose obviously very unlucky to both lose on the 18th, which is what launched the American comeback really.
Good stats @Orikoru Always interesting to see that type of thing, puts some of it into perspective. I didn't see any player choke yesterday, they were just beaten by better players, by the finest of margins on the day. When BDC came back against Fitzpatrick, he just played ridiculously well, holed every putt. Not a lot you can do about that. Fair play to Fitz for holding on on the last hole, could easily have caved.
I'm just grateful that the USA once again made an absolute horlicks of team golf on Friday and Saturday.
I don't think we have anyone over in the US. It would be interesting to know how Bradley is being viewed over there. Does the Sunday comeback save him or does the course set up, his choice, and the Friday / Saturday showing leave him open to pelters still?
I'm just grateful that the USA once again made an absolute horlicks of team golf on Friday and Saturday.
I don't think we have anyone over in the US. It would be interesting to know how Bradley is being viewed over there. Does the Sunday comeback save him or does the course set up, his choice, and the Friday / Saturday showing leave him open to pelters still?
