Mel Smooth
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Spain confirmed as the host nation in 2031.
What a trip that would be.
What a trip that would be.
Ryder Cup 2025 - All matters
- Thread starter Dunesman
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Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Not a bad list of upcoming venues
Bethpage
Adare Manor
Hazeltine
Camiral
Olympic Club
2035 is more than likely going to be in England
London Club
Bolton
Luton Hoo
Are the ones wanting it
Two brand new courses built and a composite at London Club
Bethpage
Adare Manor
Hazeltine
Camiral
Olympic Club
2035 is more than likely going to be in England
London Club
Bolton
Luton Hoo
Are the ones wanting it
Two brand new courses built and a composite at London Club
Wilson
Head Pro
The London Club would have to sort access out, but plenty of space on course I would think.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
While the European picks seem pretty obvious now (expecting Rahm and maybe Fitzpatrick to come in), I think there is more debate around the American picks.
I'd expect Cantlay to be in, he's only just outside the top 12. Maybe Burns. But Koepka is someone we would have expected to see, but has he been good enough? Missed the cut in 3 majors so it looks pretty unlikely that he'll make the team now. Homa was their best player last time out, but he hasn't regained enough form to make it in this time. I can't really see Spieth getting a pick either - too inconsistent. Clark might have snuck in with a good finish at the Open, but would they want him in the team with all the reports of his crazy temper flying around? Does Gotterup get the nod as a bit of a late wildcard? Or is he just a links specialist?
I'd expect Cantlay to be in, he's only just outside the top 12. Maybe Burns. But Koepka is someone we would have expected to see, but has he been good enough? Missed the cut in 3 majors so it looks pretty unlikely that he'll make the team now. Homa was their best player last time out, but he hasn't regained enough form to make it in this time. I can't really see Spieth getting a pick either - too inconsistent. Clark might have snuck in with a good finish at the Open, but would they want him in the team with all the reports of his crazy temper flying around? Does Gotterup get the nod as a bit of a late wildcard? Or is he just a links specialist?
sunshine
Well-known member
I hope not, have you seen Fitzpatrick's Ryder Cup record? 7 defeats out of 8, his only point was a fourball win in Rome when he was partnered by McIlroy on fire.
simsini
Well-known member
London Club is great for access, it's 15 minutes from my house!
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Arthur Wedge
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Think Fitzpatrick will need win something before September
Played well over 2 events but been poor
But can see why Donald would pick him
sunshine
Well-known member
Camiral (PGA Catalunya) is a cracking golf course.
I've heard the Grove is also interested as a future venue.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Do you think they take previous RC record into consideration? Who would you pick over him? Detry or Wallace? Rai? Maybe I'm swayed by his major win but Fitz seems like a better player than them, for me.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Interesting about the Grove as there will be very little changes needed there but they have in the past turned down the chance to bid
irip
Head Pro
I think they do take previous Ryder cup records to a degree.
Luke said he played Fitz with Rory in fourballs as his foursomes record was not great.
I also think when choosing the side things like how many rookies they would like/have made the team and who would be good partners for the strongest players are all considered.
Klimski
Active member
Okay, so it's getting closer. Just a few big tournaments coming up to move the needle - selection wise.
I will share what would be my picks for the European team. I am basing this off of different rankings (OWGR/Data Golf/Ryder Cup points) combined with a purely subjective feel for what would make the best team.
1. Rory McIlroy
2. John Rahm
3. Tommy Fleetwood
4. Tyrell Hatton
5. Sepp Straka
6. Matt Fitzpatrick
7. Shane Lowry
8. Robert MacIntyre
9. Ludwig Aberg
10. Victor Hovland
11. Justin Rose
12. Matt Wallace
Now, for me, the 12 spot is really tricky. I feel that you can make a case for Rasmus Hojgaard, Nicolas Hojgaard, Aaron Rai, Harry Hall, and I would actually love to see at least one player on the team who plays DP world tour exclusively, my pick based on form would be Kristoffer Reitan - who can go verrrrrry low. But, Wallace is in good form and would probably be a good fit as a team member.
Curious as to your opinions?
I will share what would be my picks for the European team. I am basing this off of different rankings (OWGR/Data Golf/Ryder Cup points) combined with a purely subjective feel for what would make the best team.
1. Rory McIlroy
2. John Rahm
3. Tommy Fleetwood
4. Tyrell Hatton
5. Sepp Straka
6. Matt Fitzpatrick
7. Shane Lowry
8. Robert MacIntyre
9. Ludwig Aberg
10. Victor Hovland
11. Justin Rose
12. Matt Wallace
Now, for me, the 12 spot is really tricky. I feel that you can make a case for Rasmus Hojgaard, Nicolas Hojgaard, Aaron Rai, Harry Hall, and I would actually love to see at least one player on the team who plays DP world tour exclusively, my pick based on form would be Kristoffer Reitan - who can go verrrrrry low. But, Wallace is in good form and would probably be a good fit as a team member.
Curious as to your opinions?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Top six:
1. Rory
2. Bob Mac
3. Tommy
4. Hatton
5. Lowry
6. Straka
I think the following are pretty much guaranteed picks:
Rose
Aberg
Hovland
Rahm
That leaves two debateable ones. I reckon Fitzpatrick will get in, and the last spot will go to Rasmus Hojgaard, who is currently 7th in the standings and only just outside the automatic picks. Wallace and Detry just edged out.
For the yanks:
1. Scottie
2. Xander
3. Spaun
4. Henley
5. Bryson
6. English
Pretty much guaranteed picks:
JT
Morikawa
Griffin
Bradley? - only doubt here is what he does with the captaincy but I think he'll play.
Two more spots which could go anywhere. I reckon Cantlay will make it in to be honest. I cannot see Spieth or Koepka there despite being big names, they just haven't played well lately. Is Clark too much a loose cannon? Burns is the safe choice maybe. God I hope it isn't Harman as I can't stand watching him. McNealy is up there obviously and could make it in, although not a 'glamorous' name perhaps. Maybe Gotterup steals a place on late form?
1. Rory
2. Bob Mac
3. Tommy
4. Hatton
5. Lowry
6. Straka
I think the following are pretty much guaranteed picks:
Rose
Aberg
Hovland
Rahm
That leaves two debateable ones. I reckon Fitzpatrick will get in, and the last spot will go to Rasmus Hojgaard, who is currently 7th in the standings and only just outside the automatic picks. Wallace and Detry just edged out.
For the yanks:
1. Scottie
2. Xander
3. Spaun
4. Henley
5. Bryson
6. English
Pretty much guaranteed picks:
JT
Morikawa
Griffin
Bradley? - only doubt here is what he does with the captaincy but I think he'll play.
Two more spots which could go anywhere. I reckon Cantlay will make it in to be honest. I cannot see Spieth or Koepka there despite being big names, they just haven't played well lately. Is Clark too much a loose cannon? Burns is the safe choice maybe. God I hope it isn't Harman as I can't stand watching him. McNealy is up there obviously and could make it in, although not a 'glamorous' name perhaps. Maybe Gotterup steals a place on late form?
evemccc
Well-known member
I’m not a big ‘Ryder Cup guy’, but was reading about it earlier today, and then my interest was piqued to research individual records, of players through the ages..
I had heard it be said before, but having seen how poor (relatively, compared to his Major and PGA Tour success) Tiger Woods record actually is, I was shocked tbh…
What would account for it?
Surely, surely as he’s played in 8 Ryder Cups, and played a large number of matches, it’s a large enough sample size…to be a ‘thing’
Given how much weight people attach to the Ryder Cup, and given the pressure of it, and quite how bad his record is (compared to other great players), in my opinion it absolutely has to be used, alongside the usual metrics of major wins, in debates about who’s the GOAT of golf. A 39% win record cannot be ignored nor explained / excused away IMO
I had heard it be said before, but having seen how poor (relatively, compared to his Major and PGA Tour success) Tiger Woods record actually is, I was shocked tbh…
What would account for it?
Surely, surely as he’s played in 8 Ryder Cups, and played a large number of matches, it’s a large enough sample size…to be a ‘thing’
Given how much weight people attach to the Ryder Cup, and given the pressure of it, and quite how bad his record is (compared to other great players), in my opinion it absolutely has to be used, alongside the usual metrics of major wins, in debates about who’s the GOAT of golf. A 39% win record cannot be ignored nor explained / excused away IMO
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I personally think matchplay golf is a different beast to strokeplay, that's all. Shall we use Poulter as a counterpoint? Incredible RC record, but zero majors, and I don't think anyone thinks he was one of the best players of all time. And even the guys with the best RC records over a large number of matches are only in the 60s percentage wise.
sunshine
Well-known member
The Ryder Cup is a team event, so being the GOAT doesn't matter if the team does not perform. Tiger's record in fourballs and foursomes is not great, he's been one half of some very unsuccessful pairings e.g. him and Mickelson. I don't know if that is Tiger's fault, his partner's or the captain's.
Also, with Tiger we had about a decade of brilliance from 1998 - 2008, followed by a decade of Tiger limping along managing injuries and playing well below his best. He's played in a couple of Ryder Cups where he was a shadow of the golfer he used to be, which affects his overall win %.
His singles record is much stronger. I think he only lost his first match when he was a youngster, and his last match when he was well past his best. In his heyday he has a decent record.
evemccc
Well-known member
8 singles matches — 4 wins, 2 halves and 2 losses is Tiger’s record….even that isn’t great let’s be honest
I’m not saying Poulter is anything like the golfer Tiger was….not even Poults or anybody else with the ability to speak, would say that
I am saying if the Ryder Cup is to be given lots of credence in the golf ecosystem, then surely a 39% record - and 50% win rate in Singles, isn’t world-leading by any stretch. And also should be taken into account when all is said and done
sunshine
Well-known member
8 singles matches — 4 wins, 2 halves and 2 losses is Tiger’s record….even that isn’t great let’s be honest
I’m not saying Poulter is anything like the golfer Tiger was….not even Poults or anybody else with the ability to speak, would say that
I am saying if the Ryder Cup is to be given lots of credence in the golf ecosystem, then surely a 39% record - and 50% win rate in Singles, isn’t world-leading by any stretch. And also should be taken into account when all is said and done
The stats don’t lie, but the nuance is that Tiger has played in more recent events when well past his best. Prime Tiger is more like 4 wins and 1 half from 5 matches in the singles.
His doubles record is pretty poor though. He’s never inspired his team to victory.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
8 singles matches — 4 wins, 2 halves and 2 losses is Tiger’s record….even that isn’t great let’s be honest
I’m not saying Poulter is anything like the golfer Tiger was….not even Poults or anybody else with the ability to speak, would say that
I am saying if the Ryder Cup is to be given lots of credence in the golf ecosystem, then surely a 39% record - and 50% win rate in Singles, isn’t world-leading by any stretch. And also should be taken into account when all is said and done
The Ryder Cup get credence based on the overall score between the two competitors
Not many assess someone golfing career too much on their ryder individual records unless they haven’t got much to shout about outside the Ryder Cup
Orikoru
Tour Winner
He never struck me as much of a team player. He was so singularly focused on his individual achievements in the game. I'd almost imagine that you pair him up with someone in the RC foursomes and he'd still barely talk to them. And resent the fact that somebody else was hitting half of his shots.
