Ryder Cup 2025 - All matters

[Burnsey]

Verbal abuse is still abuse, no matter how you try and make excuses for it.

So are you comparing those who swear at chucking out time at the bars with B&Q now?

Please do not quote me as making excuses. I was disgusted with the treatment.

We are not disagreeing. You just aren't making any sense in your posts.

 

[Swango1980]

Verbal abuse is still abuse, no matter how you try and make excuses for it.

Nobody is excusing it, unless they are blaming it on the alcohol I guess.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of horrible chants at other sports events, by sober people.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Verbal abuse is still abuse, no matter how you try and make excuses for it.

What’s the point you’re trying to make

 

[bobmac]

We are not disagreeing. You just aren't making any sense in your posts.

Yes we are, you are questioning whether beer was responsible for the hours of abuse the Europeans had to endure.
I think you are wrong

 

[Orikoru]

Yes we are, you are questioning whether beer was responsible for the hours of abuse the Europeans had to endure.
I think you are wrong

Obviously not solely responsible. However, it's highly likely the abuse levels would have got worse throughout the day(s), the more alcohol that had been drunk.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yes we are, you are questioning whether beer was responsible for the hours of abuse the Europeans had to endure.
I think you are wrong

It will play a part - but it’s not the reason why , thousands were drinking at the event as they do at many other Ryder Cups- and an idiot will still be an idiot and will be abusive regardless of booze

 

[Pin-seeker]

Wasn’t it great when the Ryder cup was on & we had harmony on the forum

 

[Red devil]

This was at 09.00

Looks like Wetherspoons nr Lime Street station, Liverpool. Only that's at 7.30

 

[Neilds]

It will play a part - but it’s not the reason why , thousands were drinking at the event as they do at many other Ryder Cups- and an idiot will still be an idiot and will be abusive regardless of booze

Unfortunately, booze makes idiots braver/more stupid so will play to the crowds. Undoubtedly booze was one of the main causes of the abuse.

 

[Swango1980]

Yes we are, you are questioning whether beer was responsible for the hours of abuse the Europeans had to endure.
I think you are wrong

If you blame alcohol there are probably a ton of other things you could blame. The fact that there were specators at all was the reason the players endured abuse. Had they been on an empty course, it would not have happened. Solution: ban fans from attending. Clearly an over the top reaction

And, none of us actually know how much alcohol was consumed by every individual who shouted foul comments, or which there appeared to be a significant number. I'd have thought it would be reasonable to assume that many will have been relatively sober. So, rather than ban alcohol, I'd have thought a better solution would be to make it clearer that foul comments would not be acceptable, better deal with fans that clearly crossed the line and not have officials take part in the abuse. It would be a good starting point anyway.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Unfortunately, booze makes idiots braver/more stupid so will play to the crowds. Undoubtedly booze was one of the main causes of the abuse.

Or the main cause was idiots at the end of the day

Pointing fingers towards booze imo is a way of trying to portion blame away from some people’s mentality

Multiple Ryder cups and other golf events have a lot of booze and the atmosphere doesn’t get toxic like that

It’s a lot of “patriots” with an added mix of a huge patriot , and a mentality issue more than anything , booze just adds to it

 

[Burnsey]

Yes we are, you are questioning whether beer was responsible for the hours of abuse the Europeans had to endure.
I think you are wrong

Perhaps a factor, but there would have been many sober offenders over the weekend.

Anyway, I've unsuccessfully had a go at reasoned debate and now I think I will go for a pint

 

[JonnyGutteridge]

The common denominator amongst the fans who misbehaved was that they were American, not that they were drinking.

 

[srixon 1]

Another thing I find interesting is player's scores in the Ryder Cup, as they tend to get forgotten and assumed they played badly if they lost and well if they won, which often isn't the case.

Lowry -6
Henley -6
Thomas -4
DeChambeau -4
Spaun -4 (17 holes)
Schauffele -4 (15 holes)
Fitzpatrick -3
Young -3
Fleetwood -2/-3 (no score recorded on Thomas's hole-out eagle)
Burns -2
Hatton -2
Morikawa -2
Rose -2
Aberg -2 (17 holes)
MacIntyre -1
McIlroy -1
Scheffler -1
Straka -1 (17 holes)
Griffin E
Cantlay E (17 holes)
Rahm E (15 holes)
Hojgaard +2

We touched on this already but you wouldn't have known Lowry actually played that well from the coverage, we hardly saw much of his round. And the big Rory v Scottie match was a bit of a damp squib really. Fitzpatrick is obviously going to take a couple of pelters for losing a 5 up lead, but he only had that lead because he was playing extraordinarily well - and he was up against one of their strongest players in Bryson. Griffin won a point despite only being level par, just happened to be facing the only player who was over par. Fleetwood and Rose obviously very unlucky to both lose on the 18th, which is what launched the American comeback really.

Yes, matchplay can be misleading. I remember playing a scratch match away at Yeovil years ago. I was 3 under and lost on the last hole one down. On another day with that score I could have won 6/5.

I’ve probably also won scratch matches when a good few shots over par.

 

[evemccc]

That was an utterly mental last couple of hours...and I really got caught up in the excitement...but...but...I have concerns for the Ryder Cup.

It is IMO becoming way too over-hyped and that is, at least in part, I feel to blame for the behaviour of some fans...in this instance the crossing-the-line was US fans, but I'm not a fan over the over-the-top (IMO) support provided by Europe's fans...it's only time.

And in general I fear that the 'popularity' of the Ryder Cup both within and outwith the golfing community - and hence it's popularity with the broadcasters, will find that in the not too distant future the Ryder Cup will begin to enjoy it's popularity so much that it starts to eat itself.

I know that this sounds quite negative - but these thoughts are simply borne out feelings of love I feel for the competition - because I feel my love diminishing despite the excitement the golf can deliver - as it did these last three days.

I think I would very much like to attend the Walker Cup tbh

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Wouldn’t it be sobering to future Ryder Cup fans who were thinking of being abusers, if , in future, there were a method implemented ,of the identifying of an abuser of a player , and if that abuser’s details were made available to the golfer who then sued him or her.
I’m not talking about acceptable heckling, but , for example, the sort of personal abuse directed towards Rory .Such abuse would stop, I suggest, if the abuser were sued by Rory for a sum of money he ( the abuser) would find ruinous.
Knowing that such an outcome was probable if you did abuse would reduce it ,I think.

 

[Red devil]

Perhaps a factor, but there would have been many sober offenders over the weekend.

Anyway, I've unsuccessfully had a go at reasoned debate and now I think I will go for a pint

Good lad

 

[SteveW86]

Perhaps a factor, but there would have been many sober offenders over the weekend.

Anyway, I've unsuccessfully had a go at reasoned debate and now I think I will go for a pint

Are you going to come back and start hurling abuse at everyone?

 

[Burnsey]

Are you going to come back and start hurling abuse at everyone?

Of course, but only if they're European.

Actually and anyone else as long as they have a B&Q membership card.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

So why are there more fights outside bars at closing time than outside B&Q at closing time?
Anyone who thinks beer wasn't a huge factor in what went on is wrong in my opinion

What a weird comparison! Bit like saying why’s there more football hooligans at a a footy match than at the local crown green bowling club!

To answer your weird analogy because there are more young knobheads with a penchant and immaturity for a scrap at a night club than buying laminate wood flooring the local B&Q, the alcohol hasn’t changed who they are they were a prat before they had a drink !

I’ve been sat in the sun drinking rum all day whilst my wife sips on cocktails by the pool but guess what I don’t feel the need to shout profanities and try to scrap with others round the pool simply because I’ve had a few drinks and my wife isn’t trying to stab someone with her stilettos ! Why not you ask considering in your mind alcohol is the cause of it all! Well because neither of us are a knob!

I’ll reiterate, alcohol does not cause someone that’s already an idiot to behave like an idiot, yes it may lower there inhibitions a little but that person was already an idiot and would have behaved like than anyway!

Was the woman paid by the PGA shouting F You Rory drunk! No she wasn’t she was just another pathetic excuse of a human being. Plus apportioning the blame to alcohol completely diminishes any responsibility on the people who did it the first place and removes all blame from those that weren’t drinking but also shouting the abuse !

Right off to have another cocktail and find someone to abuse about what flooring they’re buying in B&Q