Richart compared to Tiger!

[HomerJSimpson]

I used to play the ball back, open stance, and hit down with the leading edge. It was they way I was taught in the 70's. The Pro, Steve, who is my age said he was taught the same way.

Know I stand square to the ball, ball more in the middle, club handle level with the ball, and use the bounce of the club. It feels like a flick to me at the moment but I am sure I can groove it with practice. He had me practice by leaving the handle well behind the ball at impact, to get the feel of the clubhead hitting the ball, and not the grip getting in front of the head.

I find it easier to do at the moment with a fullish swing and lobbing the ball up high and say 30 yards, than the short chip shot over 10 yards. The fat shot has gone, but the thin when I quit on the shot is still there.

I showed Chrisd the chipping style at Littlestone, and it is the way he has been taught as well. Just chipping around the practice putting green I was fine, but on the course Hopefully that is just a lack of confidence.

Interesting. How is it working when you've a really short chip just over the fringe to a tight hole?

 

[chrisd]

I used to play the ball back, open stance, and hit down with the leading edge. It was they way I was taught in the 70's. The Pro, Steve, who is my age said he was taught the same way.

Know I stand square to the ball, ball more in the middle, club handle level with the ball, and use the bounce of the club. It feels like a flick to me at the moment but I am sure I can groove it with practice. He had me practice by leaving the handle well behind the ball at impact, to get the feel of the clubhead hitting the ball, and not the grip getting in front of the head.

I find it easier to do at the moment with a fullish swing and lobbing the ball up high and say 30 yards, than the short chip shot over 10 yards. The fat shot has gone, but the thin when I quit on the shot is still there.

I showed Chrisd the chipping style at Littlestone, and it is the way he has been taught as well. Just chipping around the practice putting green I was fine, but on the course Hopefully that is just a lack of confidence.

Very much the same style. The feeling of flicking happened to me until I saw Gary Smith in person demonstrating the Linear Method, he explained the feeling of hardly any left hand grip and very light in the right hand. Thus allows the right hand to hinge as necessary and it all feels like the right hand holding the club square through impact and not allowing it to turn over. I think it's a hybrid of the Linear Method and Hinge and Hold but it works well for me

 

[richart]

Interesting. How is it working when you've a really short chip just over the fringe to a tight hole?

I have just watched a Mark Crossfield video of just that shot. He played it with his hands held high, heal off the ground and with a putting action and landed it right on the edge of the fringe. His mate a fellow Pro played my way, ball flight higher and landed it further on the green with a lot more spin. Even off the bottom groove of the club it had more spin.

I did watch Luke Donald at Bearwood Lakes, and he played the shot in a similar way. Landing much closer to the pin with more spin. Chris Wood played the shot with a lower flight and more roll.

I did ask the Pro to teach me a particular type of chip, because we have a lot of raised greens, and I wanted to stop the ball quicker when chipping from below the green. I will still use a chip and run or even the putter for flat chips, especially as our fairways in the summer run nearly as fast as our greens.

 

[richart]

I think it's a hybrid of the Linear Method and Hinge and Hold but it works well for me

Now you have really confused me.:angry:

 

[chrisd]

I have just watched a Mark Crossfield video of just that shot. He played it with his hands held high, heal off the ground and with a putting action and landed it right on the edge of the fringe. His mate a fellow Pro played my way, ball flight higher and landed it further on the green with a lot more spin. Even off the bottom groove of the club it had more spin.

I did watch Luke Donald at Bearwood Lakes, and he played the shot in a similar way. Landing much closer to the pin with more spin. Chris Wood played the shot with a lower flight and more roll.

I did ask the Pro to teach me a particular type of chip, because we have a lot of raised greens, and I wanted to stop the ball quicker when chipping from below the green. I will still use a chip and run or even the putter for flat chips, especially as our fairways in the summer run nearly as fast as our greens.

I find it works by finishing in a higher position after the strike, it lifts the ball higher and lands it softer with more spin

 

[SocketRocket]

The safest way to chip IMO is to use a 9 iron, ball in stance like putting, hands down to bottom of grip, heel of club up and toe down, swing like a putt and catch the ball towards the toe. Makes chipping a doddle.

 

[Foxholer]

The safest way to chip IMO is to use a 9 iron, ball in stance like putting, hands down to bottom of grip, heel of club up and toe down, swing like a putt and catch the ball towards the toe. Makes chipping a doddle.

I agree, that's pretty simple, and I know someone who virtually always uses a 9-iron to chip.

But there are many situations where even a successful one of those will leave you a long way from the pin! That's where chipping with higher loft wedges comes into its own!

 

[Andy808]

The safest way to chip IMO is to use a 9 iron, ball in stance like putting, hands down to bottom of grip, heel of club up and toe down, swing like a putt and catch the ball towards the toe. Makes chipping a doddle.

Unless there's a bunker in the way and the pin is cut on the short side.

 

[richart]

I agree, that's pretty simple, and I know someone who virtually always uses a 9-iron to chip.

But there are many situations where even a successful one of those will leave you a long way from the pin! That's where chipping with higher loft wedges comes into its own!

That is spot on. If you miss our greens by a few feet you often roll down a slope and have to chip back up, and stop the ball quickly. 9 iron would just chip the ball into the slope.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

The safest way to chip IMO is to use a 9 iron, ball in stance like putting, hands down to bottom of grip, heel of club up and toe down, swing like a putt and catch the ball towards the toe. Makes chipping a doddle.

That won't work at Blackmoor very often though. At RAGC, it is the shot most of the time but Blackmoor is a different animal. I have already spoken to Steve the pro about short game lessons as I am currently being faced on a weekly basis with chips I'm not ashamed to admit I have no idea how to play. I guess I'll be chipping like Rich soon

 

[Smiffy]

I used to play the ball back, open stance, and hit down with the leading edge. It was they way I was taught in the 70's. The Pro, Steve, who is my age said he was taught the same way.

Know I stand square to the ball, ball more in the middle, club handle level with the ball, and use the bounce of the club. It feels like a flick to me at the moment but I am sure I can groove it with practice. He had me practice by leaving the handle well behind the ball at impact, to get the feel of the clubhead hitting the ball, and not the grip getting in front of the head.

I find it easier to do at the moment with a fullish swing and lobbing the ball up high and say 30 yards, than the short chip shot over 10 yards. The fat shot has gone, but the thin when I quit on the shot is still there.

I showed Chrisd the chipping style at Littlestone, and it is the way he has been taught as well. Just chipping around the practice putting green I was fine, but on the course Hopefully that is just a lack of confidence.

I don't bugger about with all that.
I must be a natural.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Chipping for me is all about adapting to what sort of chip you are face with a looking to play -

Is it one you want to get rolling as soon as possible - and little 8 iron with a putting action - a little longer one you could user a hybrid

One where you have to cover a bit of ground in the air first then roll out - a SW for me with the ball a bit further back than centre

And then the one where you have little to no green to work with - again a SW but ball in the middle of the stance looking to just pick it clean

And finally the one where throwing it straight at the pin - SW but try and just getting it a bit more compressed strike to look to land and stop qucikly

 

[Slab]

Chipping for me is all about adapting to what sort of chip you are face with a looking to play -

Is it one you want to get rolling as soon as possible - and little 8 iron with a putting action - a little longer one you could user a hybrid.........

Loft of an 8 iron, shaft of a putter & head of a hybrid... Merry Christmas Phil!

 

[bobmac]

There is no magic solution to the short game.
Some people learn one technique and vary the club for different situations .
Others will always use their favourite club and change the technique for different situations.
No-one can say one is right and the other is wrong.
Whichever way you decide, you will only get out what you put in and good practice breeds confidence.
Unless you're a natural like Smiffy who is always happy when he chips to 10ft

 

[Smiffy]

Unless I absolutely HAVE to use a different club, I will always use my PW for chipping.

I can "hood" it a bit to get the ball running low, crank it open to play a "flop" type shot, or just use it normally.
I practice with this one club all the time, and have great success with it normally.

 

[richart]

Unless I absolutely HAVE to use a different club, I will always use my PW for chipping.

I can "hood" it a bit to get the ball running low, crank it open to play a "flop" type shot, or just use it normally.
I practice with this one club all the time, and have great success with it normally.

Your second attempt always seems better than your first.:thup:

 

[pokerjoke]

Unless I absolutely HAVE to use a different club, I will always use my PW for chipping.

I can "hood" it a bit to get the ball running low, crank it open to play a "flop" type shot, or just use it normally.
I practice with this one club all the time, and have great success with it normally.

Trouble is mate we all have not got your natural talent some of us have to work at it.

 

[richart]

That won't work at Blackmoor very often though. At RAGC, it is the shot most of the time but Blackmoor is a different animal. I have already spoken to Steve the pro about short game lessons as I am currently being faced on a weekly basis with chips I'm not ashamed to admit I have no idea how to play. I guess I'll be chipping like Rich soon

Careful you don't make the newsletter Mike.

I blame Harry Colt for all his raised greens.

 

[Foxholer]

I blame Harry Colt for all his raised greens.

Which also helped with drainage!

Raised greens also provide a great visual focus too. Just look at Augusta without the paraphenalia of The Masters to see how bland greens that are simply patches in the ground can be!

@Hawkeye. Time to learn to 'flop'?

 

[richart]

Which also helped with drainage!

Raised greens also provide a great visual focus too. Just look at Augusta without the paraphenalia of The Masters to see how bland greens that are simply patches in the ground can be!

@Hawkeye. Time to learn to 'flop'?

Thanks for explaining that to me.