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Not this golfer. These examples of the old language are simply dumb, the new names are more sensible, more meaningful. Ground Under Repair should also go, it has no necessary relationship with repair - it is just certain defined conditions and anywhere the Committee allows an alternative to play as lies.
Casual is perfectly acceptable. A similar use of the word is 'casual labour' meaning temporary or not permanent. Admittedly, language changes but describing casual water as casual is not incorrect.
 

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Casual water is now temporary water.
Casual water has been perfectly acceptable for a while now.

''Casual water’ shall mean any temporary accumulation of water (whether caused by rainfall or otherwise) which is not one of the ordinary and recognised hazards of the course.''

RULES OF GOLF AS APPROVED BY
THE ROYAL AND ANCIENT GOLF CLUB
OF ST. ANDREWS,
26 September 1899​


Ground under repair even longer...

40. If a ball lies in any of the holes made for golfing, or on ground under repair by the conservator of the Links, it may be lifted, dropped behind the hazard, and played without losing a stroke.

RULES OF THE GAME OF GOLF
AS PLAYED BY THE ROYAL AND ANCIENT GOLF CLUB
OF ST. ANDREWS,
May 1882.




 

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Casual water has been perfectly acceptable for a while now.

''Casual water’ shall mean any temporary accumulation of water (whether caused by rainfall or otherwise) which is not one of the ordinary and recognised hazards of the course.''

RULES OF GOLF AS APPROVED BY​

THE ROYAL AND ANCIENT GOLF CLUB​

OF ST. ANDREWS,​

26 September 1899​


Ground under repair even longer...

40. If a ball lies in any of the holes made for golfing, or on ground under repair by the conservator of the Links, it may be lifted, dropped behind the hazard, and played without losing a stroke.

RULES OF THE GAME OF GOLF

AS PLAYED BY THE ROYAL AND ANCIENT GOLF CLUB

OF ST. ANDREWS,

May 1882.


Thanks for sharing those!
Some of the language changes were made for standardization and easier translation and understanding for those whose first language is not English (old English?) or American! :)
 

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How about 'through the green', anyone hankering for that to be brought back?
That always puzzled me. In the early days, I thought it referred to all land behind the green, naturally. But wondered what would happen if you played a shot from behind the green and thinned it to the other side. Was that also through the green.
 

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Casual water has been perfectly acceptable for a while now.

''Casual water’ shall mean any temporary accumulation of water (whether caused by rainfall or otherwise) which is not one of the ordinary and recognised hazards of the course.''

RULES OF GOLF AS APPROVED BY​

THE ROYAL AND ANCIENT GOLF CLUB​

OF ST. ANDREWS,​

26 September 1899​


Ground under repair even longer...

40. If a ball lies in any of the holes made for golfing, or on ground under repair by the conservator of the Links, it may be lifted, dropped behind the hazard, and played without losing a stroke.

RULES OF THE GAME OF GOLF

AS PLAYED BY THE ROYAL AND ANCIENT GOLF CLUB

OF ST. ANDREWS,

May 1882.


Sometimes progress is a long time coming.
 

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If it's not broken....
There were significant improvements and simplifications made. The changes to the Rules are an evolution, not a revolution.
While it may take some time for us "old-timers" to catch on and keep up, they are progressing favourably.
 

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From this year, no one should be saying "hitting one off the deck" anymore.
"Deck" is no longer acceptable.
"Ground", "fairway", "closely mown area" etc are all acceptable.

And "green" or "putting green" are acceptable, but "dancefloor" is not acceptable.

No decks or dancefloors on golf courses anymore. Thank you.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

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From this year, no one should be saying "hitting one off the deck" anymore.
"Deck" is no longer acceptable.
"Ground", "fairway", "closely mown area" etc are all acceptable.

And "green" or "putting green" are acceptable, but "dancefloor" is not acceptable.

No decks or dancefloors on golf courses anymore. Thank you.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
But, but …..then ‘ nowhere near the bandstand’ won’t work.
 

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From this year, no one should be saying "hitting one off the deck" anymore.
"Deck" is no longer acceptable.
"Ground", "fairway", "closely mown area" etc are all acceptable.

And "green" or "putting green" are acceptable, but "dancefloor" is not acceptable.

No decks or dancefloors on golf courses anymore. Thank you.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
I think you've struck a rich vein ...

No more "that's in ... the cabbage ... the sh** ... the cr**" etc, etc, us woke players prefer "in the general area other than the closely-mown".

And no more "wow, that's ... in the next suburb ... on the school house roof ... other side of the motorway" etc, we prefer "outside the boundary edge".
 

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Casual water has been perfectly acceptable for a while now.

''Casual water’ shall mean any temporary accumulation of water (whether caused by rainfall or otherwise) which is not one of the ordinary and recognised hazards of the course.''

RULES OF GOLF AS APPROVED BY​

THE ROYAL AND ANCIENT GOLF CLUB​

OF ST. ANDREWS,​

26 September 1899​


Ground under repair even longer...

40. If a ball lies in any of the holes made for golfing, or on ground under repair by the conservator of the Links, it may be lifted, dropped behind the hazard, and played without losing a stroke.

RULES OF THE GAME OF GOLF

AS PLAYED BY THE ROYAL AND ANCIENT GOLF CLUB

OF ST. ANDREWS,

May 1882.


But even in 1899 were not the R&A just making up new names for something which already had a perfectly good description?

Eg ''Casual water’ shall mean any temporary accumulation of water ... " :)
 

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Not this golfer. These examples of the old language are simply dumb, the new names are more sensible, more meaningful. Ground Under Repair should also go, it has no necessary relationship with repair - it is just certain defined conditions and anywhere the Committee allows an alternative to play as lies.
We have a couple of ‘No Play Zones’ and I struggle to understand the difference between what makes part of the General Area GUR but not a NPZ. Couldn't we just do away with GUR altogether and tweak relief options accordingly so the relief from NPZ is same as what we get from GUR…indeed they seem the same already.
 

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It's past time to move on with the language. Hazard is now penalty area. Casual water is now temporary water. And relief is in an area based on the nearest point of complete relief - it is not 'at' the nearest point of relief. I'm sure there are easily-influenced young kiddies reading these threads, we need to train them right.
''Hazard'' has been around for a while too...

5. If your Ball comes among watter, or any wattery filth, you are at liberty to take out your Ball & bringing it behind the hazard and Teeing it, you may play it with any Club and allow your Adversary a Stroke for so getting out your Ball.

Rules of Golf-1744

If it was good enough for 275 years why change it now? (2019)

But even in 1899 were not the R&A just making up new names for something which already had a perfectly good description?

Eg ''Casual water’ shall mean any temporary accumulation of water ... " :)
My point is it's been known as casual water for 125 years and it's been fine.
As I said before....if it isn't broken...
 

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On a slight tangent...
If a water accumulation area marked with red or yellow temporary water stakes is dry and the player chooses to play from the dry water hazard, may the golfer ground his/her club?
 
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