Reading Putts.

[3565]

I'd be having words with the green keeper, not doing his job properly.

 

[huds1475]

I'm Tom Kite at reading greens, 30 to 40 % of the time im standing over a putt with no confidence in my read.

Looking for more information to help me improve

Just written to he guy @ Formby Hall to enquire about AE course.

 

[Papas1982]

Re the original post.

I hope to get inside my playing partners so I get a good read.......

failing that, usually from beneath the hole if possible. Whether that be behind my ball or not. Then just use my memory of previous putts to best attempt the putt.

Can honestly say I've never looked into aim point. So don't know the insides of it. And for those it works for. Good luck to ya. from what I've just read in the last 12 pages. It seems the aim pointers have the chip. I haven't seen anyone criticise aim point. Just people ask questions how certain scenarios can be overcome without some sort of a guess. Which imo, all putts over a ft require.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And not only that but we have to answer the same questions majority of the time that were asked previously on this subject! Some need to ask what do they do using conventional reading if putting green is slower then the actual greens!

I know what Yourself, Mendie and I would do! Not sure about the conventionalists tho!

I've read every post, The first reply is from Homer with one word and a load of emoji's, later on you make comments about fishing and baiting, Mendie gives straight answers to questions and even agrees there's some guesswork, Homer says there isn't any guesswork but then eventually agrees with Mendie there's a small bit, you and homer then go on about naysayers and accuse others of being protaganists, maybe would be better if you and Homer took a leaf out of Mendies book and simply answered questions rather than went on the defensive.
And yes I have made enquires about Aimpoint and considering doing a course in late April. Mendie sells it,

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd be having words with the green keeper, not doing his job properly.

Which doesn't help you when you are playing unless you have a word after the first green.

So after you have measured on the practise green using all your tools and then find the main greens are a bit different in pace ( as they at most clubs ) - how do you make pace adjustments without the use of your tools ?

Is it just a simple adjustment based on using your method with a bit of guesswork in regards the difference in the pace ?

 

[3565]

Re the original post.

I hope to get inside my playing partners so I get a good read.......

failing that, usually from beneath the hole if possible. Whether that be behind my ball or not. Then just use my memory of previous putts to best attempt the putt.

Can honestly say I've never looked into aim point. So don't know the insides of it. And for those it works for. Good luck to ya. from what I've just read in the last 12 pages. It seems the aim pointers have the chip. I haven't seen anyone criticise aim point. Just people ask questions how certain scenarios can be overcome without some sort of a guess. Which imo, all putts over a ft require.

It's not a chip, it's just the same questions, scenarios, from the same band on here (that are not interested cos if they were they'd of gone on a course) every time anything to do with aimpoint is mentioned.

 

[Papas1982]

Is that a serious question All about getting it in the hole as quickly as you can and if Aimpoint assists that then I'm happy. My putts per round has dropped from 33.16 in 2014 to 31.71 last year. I'm happy that my putting is going forward and I am making better reads and holing more putts.

Of course as I've said, there will be those that will have their interested piqued (and I've already had PM's) and will try it. Others will never try it. All fine if a little frustrating that the never wills write it off as bunkum at the drop of a hat. I think it works, my stats seem to back that up

Homer, it's well documented (your quest for improvement) although I admit I only know of it beciase of comments made towards you in here. Genuine question a bout the above ,entitled stat though. Has your handicap also improved by 1.5 during that time? Or maybe, you just chip a little more often now, leaving shorter putts and that aids the stat?

personally i think we should all use whatever helps us most. And if aim point gives you more confidence then go for it. But others that don't like it, won't change their mind just beciase of snide insinuations.

 

[Papas1982]

It's not a chip, it's just the same questions, scenarios, from the same band on here (that are not interested cos if they were they'd of gone on a course) every time anything to do with aimpoint is mentioned.

I've seen previous discussions and the convo is the same both ways. If someone feels it won't help them. Why would they go on the course. That doesn't automatically mean that can't have an opinion on it. That makes it found like a cult.
From what I've seen, bielevers think its full proof and only technique can be blamed for a missed putt. Imo a good putting stroke is easier to practice that it is to learn how to read a putt. So if aim point was full proof ALL pros would use it as they have great technique.

 

[3565]

I've read every post, The first reply is from Homer with one word and a load of emoji's, later on you make comments about fishing and baiting, Mendie gives straight answers to questions and even agrees there's some guesswork, Homer says there isn't any guesswork but then eventually agrees with Mendie there's a small bit, you and homer then go on about naysayers and accuse others of being protaganists, maybe would be better if you and Homer took a leaf out of Mendies book and simply answered questions rather than went on the defensive.
And yes I have made enquires about Aimpoint and considering doing a course in late April. Mendie sells it,[/QUOTE

maybe you should read posts from the past where I have answered questions on aimpoint to those who are posting on here, but yet still ask same questions about it. Where in this thread have I said it's not guess work? I've stated early on I know which guess work I'd prefer.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

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maybe you should read posts from the past where I have answered questions on aimpoint to those who are posting on here, but yet still ask same questions about it. Where in this thread have I said it's not guess work? I've stated early on I know which guess work I'd prefer.

I haven't read any previous posts, didn't say you said it wasn't guesswork, I said it was Homer and Mendie, it's an observation the same as papas1982 noticed, but you and homer did yourselves no favours on this thread, if certain people bother you, ignore them. It detracts from the point your trying to get across.

 

[3565]

I've seen previous discussions and the convo is the same both ways. If someone feels it won't help them. Why would they go on the course. That doesn't automatically mean that can't have an opinion on it. That makes it found like a cult.
From what I've seen, bielevers think its full proof and only technique can be blamed for a missed putt. Imo a good putting stroke is easier to practice that it is to learn how to read a putt. So if aim point was full proof ALL pros would use it as they have great technique.

if someone feels that it won't help them cos they seen it's complicated, too expensive, feel daft for sticking fingers in the air, then fine! It's not for them, but it could be for others? When it's the same people who comment on it that don't use, advocate or interested in how it works no matter how many time Aimpointers explain, it becomes an issue through them! That's why Homer and myself have had PMs about Aimpoint.
The new TM M1 was released and all the talk on here, but I never voiced my opinion about it as I'd not seen or tried one and won't give an opinion cos I don't want to try one, that or any other new OEM drivers/clubs so I've no right to an opinion.

 

[Papas1982]

if someone feels that it won't help them cos they seen it's complicated, too expensive, feel daft for sticking fingers in the air, then fine! It's not for them, but it could be for others? When it's the same people who comment on it that don't use, advocate or interested in how it works no matter how many time Aimpointers explain, it becomes an issue through them! That's why Homer and myself have had PMs about Aimpoint.
The new TM M1 was released and all the talk on here, but I never voiced my opinion about it as I'd not seen or tried one and won't give an opinion cos I don't want to try one, that or any other new OEM drivers/clubs so I've no right to an opinion.

of course people can voice an opinion without doing it. I wouldn't jump out a plane without a parachute. And I'd tell anyone who considered to not to be daft. Even without any experience of it. Now that may be a little extreme.

But it been as this topic was about putting, and how people approach it. Once aim point is raised. All those that dot use it. Don't need to leave the thread. Cost and time have no bearing in me not using aim point. The last time I paid it any attention was when I saw Adam Scott miss putts whilst he used it.

An an aimpointer can explain how that use it. But just because it works for them. Doesn't mean it will for others. It is simply a technique. Much like hinging in chipping, or preferring to fade or draw a shot. All valid. Nobody said us Of aimpointer was wrong. But I've seen it commented that those who don't, should.

 

[Hobbit]

Get yourself on the practice putting green, on a flat stretch and learn to putt straight. Then get yourself on a sloping part of the practice green and spend time learning how to putt using pace on slopes.

Am I reasonably qualified to make the suggestion? Those that have played with me might think I am, and being semi finalist in Britian's best putter might suggest I have a bit of an idea.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Having played with you Brian when you holed everything you looked at, I certainly felt like sticking 2 fingers up in the air in your direction :rofl:

 

[delc]

Two local courses where I find the greens very difficult to read are Pinner Hill and Grimsdyke, particularly the latter. Both these courses are built on the side of a hill and it seems difficult to know what is level. Very often putts that look say uphill and left to right are actually downhill and right to left. I have putted right off one green at Grimsdyke for this reason! We very rarely win away matches at either club, because the players in the home team know the breaks on the greens.

 

[Smiffy]

Wouldn't this game be boring if all greens were as flat as a pancake???

 

[MashieNiblick]

Intrigued about Aimpoint. Couple of questions (genuine).

I have watched the video in the link posted by Homer and understand how it helps to get the line but just want to clarify how you evaluate how much break there is in the first place. Video on link says it's 90% feel with feet and 10% eye, which is interesting, but otherwise is judging the break (as opposed to the line) essentially the same as you would in a traditional (for want of a better word) approach. I find the hardest putt are where I can't "see" the break.

Secondly how does it work with double breaking putts?

 

[chrisd]

I find the discussion quite amusing - people post on here about all sorts of training aids, tips their coaches have given, game golf, swing analysers etc etc etc but mention Aimpoint and, well ............ you get the picture!

I may well do the Aimpoint Express course, if it helps GREAT, if it doesn't it's cost a few quid and a few hours of my time. Nothing much lost really!

 

[Smiffy]

I may well do the Aimpoint Express course, if it helps my playing partners will be mightily relieved

Have modified that for you Mr Five Jerk McGurk.

 

[3565]

of course people can voice an opinion without doing it. I wouldn't jump out a plane without a parachute. And I'd tell anyone who considered to not to be daft. Even without any experience of it. Now that may be a little extreme.

But it been as this topic was about putting, and how people approach it. Once aim point is raised. All those that dot use it. Don't need to leave the thread. Cost and time have no bearing in me not using aim point. The last time I paid it any attention was when I saw Adam Scott miss putts whilst he used it.

An an aimpointer can explain how that use it. But just because it works for them. Doesn't mean it will for others. It is simply a technique. Much like hinging in chipping, or preferring to fade or draw a shot. All valid. Nobody said us Of aimpointer was wrong. But I've seen it commented that those who don't, should.

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ive never said those who don't should use it. I've tried to explain in the past as like Homer has and you can notice an underlying sceptisim from a certain few who will try and discredit it.
Im more then happy to explain to people if they want to know more, PM me, like one or two have done. And I think you'll find that I've not tried to sell it to them but to give them my knowledge I've gained for them to make their own mind up.