Reading Putts.

I said a minute ago, pace is still required and admitted there is some guesswork.

I use it religiously but anyone that said it takes guesswork out is delusional

I don't think anyone was slating it mate - use whatever method suits you best and if it works then crack on

I think the initial point was the whatever method people use will always have some element of guesswork in it .
 
You best tell Homer.

I'm happy with it. It works but of course why try it yourself when it's so easy to sit at a keyboard and mock. How come more and more top players are going to it and would they really put tournament purses and ranking points on something that doesn't work. End of discussion as we're back in the old pro and con argument done so many times before. The naysayers will never ever change or take their head out of the sand. No guesswork but don't let facts get in the way
 
There is no black magic to reading greens, it's all basic common sense.

I'm happy with it. It works but of course why try it yourself when it's so easy to sit at a keyboard and mock. How come more and more top players are going to it and would they really put tournament purses and ranking points on something that doesn't work. End of discussion as we're back in the old pro and con argument done so many times before. The naysayers will never ever change or take their head out of the sand. No guesswork but don't let facts get in the way

Homer, as a massive advocate of aimpoint I'd say it's crazy to say there is no guesswork. Calculated yes, but know the amount of arm bend, % slope etc is all 'guessing' to some extent.
 
Homer, as a massive advocate of aimpoint I'd say it's crazy to say there is no guesswork. Calculated yes, but know the amount of arm bend, % slope etc is all 'guessing' to some extent.

I disagree to a degree and I think you'd find Jamie Donaldson and Mark Sweeney would disagree too. I think you can definitely learn what works correctly, especially on your home greens that will take guesswork away to a degree. The technique is proven. However that's your opinion, not one I share but one I respect
 
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There is no black magic to reading greens, it's all basic common sense.

I disagree to a degree and I think you'd find Jamie Donaldson and Mark Sweeney would disagree too. I think you can definitely learn what works correctly, especially on your home greens that will take guesswork away to a degree. The technique is proven. However that's your opinion, not one I share but one I respect

Of course they wouldn't agree it's there product
 
Of course they wouldn't agree it's there product

But they wouldn't get take up from tournament pros if it didn't work. It's that simple. Why would they use something that didn't improve their green reading. I do accept that from doing the course and using the chart and doing the Express and doing the reads that there is a period where you are inaccurate as you get to grips with it. However as you learn to work out the percentage slope and the arm bend for the stimp on your home greens (or any other) then as with the chart, the reads improve and become more accurate
 
A Question for the Aimpointers.. Do you feel you get less satisfaction from holing a putt using the method as opposed to using your original green reading instinct?
 
Homer, as a massive advocate of aimpoint I'd say it's crazy to say there is no guesswork. Calculated yes, but know the amount of arm bend, % slope etc is all 'guessing' to some extent.

So practising on the green, If I get a stimp meter, which is the official way to get the pace of greens, get a reading of 9. Then on a 15ft right to left or left to right putt place an inclinometer half way and it reads 3%, get my PLG and use the stimp of 9 chart, turn it to 3 (either left or right pending which way it breaks) place the tee peg in line with the PLG's aim and at right angle to the hole, then extend my arm and start bending it towards me until my 3 fingers cover half the hole and touches the tee, and that arm bend would be a guess?
 
So practising on the green, If I get a stimp meter, which is the official way to get the pace of greens, get a reading of 9. Then on a 15ft right to left or left to right putt place an inclinometer half way and it reads 3%, get my PLG and use the stimp of 9 chart, turn it to 3 (either left or right pending which way it breaks) place the tee peg in line with the PLG's aim and at right angle to the hole, then extend my arm and start bending it towards me until my 3 fingers cover half the hole and touches the tee, and that arm bend would be a guess?

What if the practise green isn't the same pace as the greens on the course ?

That's a very regular occurence and you then don't have any gadgets to judge the pace ?
 
A Question for the Aimpointers.. Do you feel you get less satisfaction from holing a putt using the method as opposed to using your original green reading instinct?

Is that a serious question :confused: All about getting it in the hole as quickly as you can and if Aimpoint assists that then I'm happy. My putts per round has dropped from 33.16 in 2014 to 31.71 last year. I'm happy that my putting is going forward and I am making better reads and holing more putts.

Of course as I've said, there will be those that will have their interested piqued (and I've already had PM's) and will try it. Others will never try it. All fine if a little frustrating that the never wills write it off as bunkum at the drop of a hat. I think it works, my stats seem to back that up
 
A Question for the Aimpointers.. Do you feel you get less satisfaction from holing a putt using the method as opposed to using your original green reading instinct?

Hell no, I can virtually tell as soon as the balls left I've holed it and has happened on many occasions and I've also watched players who I've shown a little bit about it that before the balls got anywhere near the hole I've said you've holed that one. It just reinforces that I won't go back to 'normal' reading and at the end of the day it's about holing putts isn't it?
 
My putts per round has dropped from 33.16 in 2014 to 31.71 last year. I'm happy that my putting is going forward and I am making better reads and holing more putts.

But your handicap is going up? So maybe you are missing more greens and chipping on more, that will bring down anyones putts per round.

If you don't have the natural ability to read a green then by all means pay for a lesson (aimpoint, conventional or any other method) but I start by my original statement, reading greens is NOT difficult.
 
Is that a serious question :confused: All about getting it in the hole as quickly as you can and if Aimpoint assists that then I'm happy. My putts per round has dropped from 33.16 in 2014 to 31.71 last year. I'm happy that my putting is going forward and I am making better reads and holing more putts.

Of course as I've said, there will be those that will have their interested piqued (and I've already had PM's) and will try it. Others will never try it. All fine if a little frustrating that the never wills write it off as bunkum at the drop of a hat. I think it works, my stats seem to back that up

ive also had PM's from those who are interested about Aimpoint but don't want to ask the question on here cos of the certain handful (we know who they are) that come on to just ridicule it and Just to pick fault. It's a sorry state if those cant ask knowing that they may get attacked or the perverbial taken out of them on a forum that all play a game were supposed to enjoy.
 
Is that a serious question :confused: All about getting it in the hole as quickly as you can and if Aimpoint assists that then I'm happy. My putts per round has dropped from 33.16 in 2014 to 31.71 last year. I'm happy that my putting is going forward and I am making better reads and holing more putts.

Of course as I've said, there will be those that will have their interested piqued (and I've already had PM's) and will try it. Others will never try it. All fine if a little frustrating that the never wills write it off as bunkum at the drop of a hat. I think it works, my stats seem to back that up


Of course its a serious question! I play the game for enjoyment and the satisfaction of striking the ball well and putting a score together on my own terms.

I honestly don't care whether it works or not.

Personally Using a chart/Method or whatever you want to call it would take something out of the game for me.
 
Of course its a serious question! I play the game for enjoyment and the satisfaction of striking the ball well and putting a score together on my own terms.

I honestly don't care whether it works or not.

Personally Using a chart/Method or whatever you want to call it would take something out of the game for me.

OK. Interesting point of view. Turn it around a tad, do you use any form of DMD?
 
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