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[Deleted member 15344]

The Scottish Prem is either only ever a one team league or two league team - no one outside the Old Firm has won the title since 84 ? Or was it 85 - 23 years now - it goes through a period of Rangers winning it year after year then Celtic year after year

In the same period i believe it is 10 different teams for the English Title.

Next year the talk will again be about 4 maybe 5 teams with a chance - in Scotland the talk will be about 1 with maybe the other old firm having a bit of talk - I don’t tbink there is a league in Europe where is so heavily weighted towards 2 clubs over the years - I think it takes something extraordinary to take it away from those two - a special bunch of players or a one in a million manager

There is prob nothing that can change it outside those two - no other team has the platform they do even if a team suddenly had a oil billionaire arrive

To make the league a bit more competitive and to prob also help Celtic in Europe is having a strong Rangers - whilst it doesn’t help the other clubs it might make the league a bit more than a stroll for Celtic

 

[IanM]

isn't Celtics fault, they can only play what is put in front of them

Absolutely correct. But that doesn't make for interesting competition...eventually folk get bored. Hence the paucity of TV money in Scotland

I wonder how long before the overseas Billionaires funding the English Premier have a chat and say why have our teams in the UK? Lets move our "franchises" (coughs) to China, Saudi etc etc etc Daft? I wonder?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Absolutely correct. But that doesn't make for interesting competition...eventually folk get bored. Hence the paucity of TV money in Scotland

I wonder how long before the overseas Billionaires funding the English Premier have a chat and say why have our teams in the UK? Lets move our "franchises" (coughs) to China, Saudi etc etc etc Daft? I wonder?

Interesting thoughts, but China has brought in caps for wages and player fees along with foriegn player numbers as they want to improve the local talent and win a World Cup. All laudable aims and targets, but you cant have outside investment and help with a centrally State controlled system.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Absolutely correct. But that doesn't make for interesting competition...eventually folk get bored. Hence the paucity of TV money in Scotland

I wonder how long before the overseas Billionaires funding the English Premier have a chat and say why have our teams in the UK? Lets move our "franchises" (coughs) to China, Saudi etc etc etc Daft? I wonder?

You only have to look at the issues caused when Wimbledon moved to MK to see moving a team I don’t expect to ever happen - those countries you mention already have high paid league but they don’t have the worldwide appeal of the Prem. They have already got footholds in the Middle East and Far East and even the US using Pre season and the multi million deals with Sky

 

[IanM]

You only have to look at the issues caused when Wimbledon moved to MK to see moving a team I don’t expect to ever happen -

But it happened.

What is more likely is them moving the money, and the players follow that. (as happened with Italy) State control in China is a big barrier, until they suss their is cash and prestige to be gained.

The IPL in Cricket is a great example of this! Where are the top players right now?

 

[Val]

The Scottish Prem is either only ever a one team league or two league team - no one outside the Old Firm has won the title since 84 ? Or was it 85 - 23 years now - it goes through a period of Rangers winning it year after year then Celtic year after year

In the same period i believe it is 10 different teams for the English Title.

Next year the talk will again be about 4 maybe 5 teams with a chance - in Scotland the talk will be about 1 with maybe the other old firm having a bit of talk - I don’t tbink there is a league in Europe where is so heavily weighted towards 2 clubs over the years - I think it takes something extraordinary to take it away from those two - a special bunch of players or a one in a million manager

There is prob nothing that can change it outside those two - no other team has the platform they do even if a team suddenly had a oil billionaire arrive

To make the league a bit more competitive and to prob also help Celtic in Europe is having a strong Rangers - whilst it doesn’t help the other clubs it might make the league a bit more than a stroll for Celtic

4 or 5 teams won't have a chance, at best its 3, City Utd and Chelsea, the same as every year

 

[Val]

Absolutely correct. But that doesn't make for interesting competition...eventually folk get bored. Hence the paucity of TV money in Scotland

I wonder how long before the overseas Billionaires funding the English Premier have a chat and say why have our teams in the UK? Lets move our "franchises" (coughs) to China, Saudi etc etc etc Daft? I wonder?

I wouldn't disagree with any of that

 

[Doon frae Troon]

When I worked in Glasgow I was shocked abut how daft normally decent folk became when it came to talking "Old Firm."

Will be a useful learning step for Gerrard... and Rangers needed a name.

But none of this resolves the underlying issues of Club Football is in north of the Border.

How do you square that to the fact that attendance figures at Scotland league games are now the highest they have ever been.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But it happened.

What is more likely is them moving the money, and the players follow that. (as happened with Italy) State control in China is a big barrier, until they suss their is cash and prestige to be gained.

The IPL in Cricket is a great example of this! Where are the top players right now?

The players play all over the world in T20 but I don’t tbink it’s sometbing that can be compared

The Prem league has the biggest exposure around the world - Serie A lost it all when they had the corruption issues and the money left - with the Prem deals still hitting big numbers then it will be there - people have been talking about the money moving or bursting for a decade now and it still doesn’t happen.

Do you really see the Chinese league having the same appeal ? It’s a league that threw loads of money at it early on and then it hit issues straight away and the one thing it doesn’t have is - The CL , that’s massive around the world and the appeal for that is prob bigger than any other league bar the Prem

 

[Deleted member 15344]

4 or 5 teams won't have a chance, at best its 3, City Utd and Chelsea, the same as every year

Yet Leicester won , Spurs getting close , Liverpool will improve - next year when it starts there will be 5 at the very least teams in with a great chance - in Scotland it will be one

 

[User101]

Why not, and if it isn't why is it only ever them 2 talked about for the title?
It's no different to the Bundesliga being dominated by Bayern or many other "smaller" top flights around Europe where is mainly 1 or 2 clubs that win every year.
It's only the EPL, Italian top flight and to a lesser degree the Spanish top flight that you get a much greater number of possible winners. Having a top team is cyclical, but in Scottish footy it isnt. That isn't good for their game or those youre trying to entice to take interest in.

Are you having a laugh ? With the exception of Leicester recently it's been the same two or three teams winning the Premiership, Real or Barcelona every year in Spain, but going back to what I quoted, Scottish football is NOT all about the ugly sisters, they would like you to think that, so would the media, in fact if you asked every supporter from the rest of the clubs they would love them to play down in Englandshire, they are vile, both of them in equal measures.

 

[Val]

Yet Leicester won , Spurs getting close , Liverpool will improve - next year when it starts there will be 5 at the very least teams in with a great chance - in Scotland it will be one

Leicester did and I think everyone would agree it was a freak season. Spurs haven't been close and neither have Arsenal or Liverpool. I'd bet my last coin the winner will be one of the 3 I mentioned

 

[IanM]

How do you square that to the fact that attendance figures at Scotland league games are now the highest they have ever been.

Ever been? Not according to the sites I've just googled.

Although there was an article say Scotland had the highest average per capita football attendances in Europe

 

[User101]

Yet Leicester won , Spurs getting close , Liverpool will improve - next year when it starts there will be 5 at the very least teams in with a great chance - in Scotland it will be one

What utter nonsense, Spurs, remind everyone the last time they won a title ? I can't see Liverpool challenging for the tit;e either. You lot are deluded down there if you think there will be 5 challenging for the title, City plus possibly one other, not really much different from Scotland is it or Spain or Germany for that matter.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What utter nonsense, Spurs, remind everyone the last time they won a title ? I can't see Liverpool challenging for the tit;e either. You lot are deluded down there if you think there will be 5 challenging for the title, City plus possibly one other, not really much different from Scotland is it or Spain or Germany for that matter.

Scotland its 1 - thats it no one else but just one , when was the last time any other club even made some sort of challenge beyond Celtic over the last 8/9 years - at times they have won by 30 points ! - this year at the moment its 10 points which is the closet for a while i suspect but even then did any team ever really challenge Celtic - since Rangers got relegated was there ever any other team that seriously challenged for the title ?

Even those other leagues whilst they have the historic strong teams other teams have come through and won the league.

6 different winners over the past 20 years in Spain , 6 in Germany , 7 in England

2 in Scotland - no one else gets a look in beyond the Old Firm - 1984 the last time a team outside the Old Firm - and does anyone ever see another team seriously challenging those two in the foreseable future

 

[User62651]

Scotland its 1 - thats it no one else but just one , when was the last time any other club even made some sort of challenge beyond Celtic over the last 8/9 years - at times they have won by 30 points ! - this year at the moment its 10 points which is the closet for a while i suspect but even then did any team ever really challenge Celtic - since Rangers got relegated was there ever any other team that seriously challenged for the title ?

Even those other leagues whilst they have the historic strong teams other teams have come through and won the league.

6 different winners over the past 20 years in Spain , 6 in Germany , 7 in England

2 in Scotland - no one else gets a look in beyond the Old Firm - 1984 the last time a team outside the Old Firm

Ahem......1985 I think, my team as well as 1984! We (Aberdeen) ran Celtic quite close 3 year ago too and took the race to the last game in 1991 as well but I take your point, has been generally a one horse race since 2012 and 2 horses for 20 years before that, as a fan you get your head around it, similar I imagine if you're a Newcastle or Everton or Southampton fan - you sort of know you wont win anything too, doesn't stop people wanting to watch and follow their team and hope for decent cup runs.

 

[User101]

I couldn't give a feck about Scotland, it's not like I'm trying to defend it but it's all in proportion, they are two biggest clubs up here, what else would you expect, how many small clubs have won championships other side of Leicester recently...hmmm....let me think...err....hang on....nope, you got me there.

So what if it's only one club up here, it's only 2 or 3 clubs down there. You have a less competitive league than Scotland, how many points clear are City ?? One horse race, much like Scotland funnily enough or Germany or Spain to a lesser degree, stop kidding yourself on.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ahem......1985 I think, my team as well as 1984! We (Aberdeen) ran Celtic quite close 3 year ago too and took the race to the last game in 1991 as well but I take your point, has been generally a one horse race since 2012 and 2 horses for 20 years before that, as a fan you get your head around it, similar I imagine if you're a Newcastle or Everton or Southampton fan - you sort of know you wont win anything too, doesn't stop people wanting to watch and follow their team and hope for decent cup runs.

When my Dad was stationed in Buchan from 82 -86 we all took a little shine to Aberdeen - the schools around where buzzing about their UEFA Cup run especially when they beat Bayern was it ? Semis or quarters and the team at the time was just superb but then they all left to go to various teams. It would be great if a team like Aberdeen or any of the Edinburgh teams gave the Old Firm a really good go but it must be so hard doing it with prob a tenth of what Celtic can work with in regards facilities and funds. But ill always keep an eye out for Aberdeens results.

 

[Val]

Phil you are correct that Scotland currently a one horse league and in the last 20 years a 2 horse league, from a league of 12.

You are however mistaken if you think in England it's any more than a 2 or 3 horse race. I cannot remember the last time more than 2 teams had a realistic chance to win the league in England with 10 games to go. The EPL is not as competitive at the top end as people think.

 

[Papas1982]

Phil you are correct that Scotland currently a one horse league and in the last 20 years a 2 horse league, from a league of 12.

You are however mistaken if you think in England it's any more than a 2 or 3 horse race. I cannot remember the last time more than 2 teams had a realistic chance to win the league in England with 10 games to go. The EPL is not as competitive at the top end as people think.

Each season may end with only two teams. But if we use the last 20 years, the two last standing each season has still varied quite regularly.

Realistically I’d expect it to continue with UTD City and Chelsea. But over time, Arsenal, Liverpool and spurs have challenged