R&A - Good Deal or Greedy

[Tongo]

when I was a kid I used to try and replicate Owens goal against Argentina in 98. I watched that goal as a kid in a villa in Florida whilst my family were at Disneyland. Point being, if you want to watch sport it's not hard to find.

Also, when you (we) we kids sky was maybe more exlusive. How many people are watching premier league feeds atm?

Football will always have no problem getting mass support though. It gets the most media coverage by a mile, is talked about anywhere and everywhere and has the beeb paying 200 million quid just for highlights! Its no wonder kids get into it, especially if their parents and grandparents are into the game. Every other sport trails in its wake and has to fight to attract the next generation. Football has shown that it can survive with the majority of coverage on satellite tv, other sports cannot be so blase because there isnt the same mass coverage.

Yes, anyone can go and look for a sport but i didnt go looking for golf when i got into it at 18, i flicked on the tv and watched some of it and found i enjoyed it. Sometimes people take up sports after a moment of serendipity, rather than thinking "right, lets see if i can find some golf."

 

[Papas1982]

Football will always have no problem getting mass support though. It gets the most media coverage by a mile, is talked about anywhere and everywhere and has the beeb paying 200 million quid just for highlights! Its no wonder kids get into it, especially if their parents and grandparents are into the game. Every other sport trails in its wake and has to fight to attract the next generation. Football has shown that it can survive with the majority of coverage on satellite tv, other sports cannot be so blase because there isnt the same mass coverage.

genuine question, did you were watching cricket or golf as a lad on the tv. Did you not watch with your dad? Maybe old fashioned but I was like his shadow when I got the chance. What he liked I liked as a kid.

Id like to think my kids will Love sports too, albeit I've been told football is for smelly boys and only crazy golf is fun. Even though my girls have pretty pink putters.

My my point is that, participation shouldn't imo be reliant on mass exposure. You had a moment of serendipity which is rather romantic, but everyone is telling us participation is dropping. Well unless we want the beeb to show more golf (not gonna happen). Who's to blame for that?

Maybe that's wrong. But as much as I love watching sport and always have, playing it has always come first. And that's coz my folks got me I to many sports. I may not be great at many lol. But I'll be the same, trying to get my girls into it. Not asking what's popular and easily available on the beeb.

Back to the op. I've not looked, does anyone have the financial figures. It's all well and good expecting the r&a to take a morale stance, but they are a business after all. The beeb are meant to be a public service. So maybe sky aren't the bad guys, maybe the Beeb are. If we go along with the that sport can be aspirational and is a good thing for wellbeing, what exactly does easterners bring? Other than viewing figures?

 

[Jungle]

Just look at Darts and the last ten years of both the PDC and BDO.

One is available to all and one is exclusive to some. I know which one I would want to be a part of.

The single biggest hinderance to golf participation is that view that it is played by rich old men. Sky don't do half measures, so the Open will get the full hog, their Sports news channel, twitter accounts and analysts will get people talking and hopefully first timers trying it for themselves.

It also provides a big injection of cash into British golf.

 

[Tongo]

genuine question, did you were watching cricket or golf as a lad on the tv. Did you not watch with your dad? Maybe old fashioned but I was like his shadow when I got the chance. What he liked I liked as a kid.

Id like to think my kids will Love sports too, albeit I've been told football is for smelly boys and only crazy golf is fun. Even though my girls have pretty pink putters.

My my point is that, participation shouldn't imo be reliant on mass exposure. You had a moment of serendipity which is rather romantic, but everyone is telling us participation is dropping. Well unless we want the beeb to show more golf (not gonna happen). Who's to blame for that?

Maybe that's wrong. But as much as I love watching sport and always have, playing it has always come first. And that's coz my folks got me I to many sports. I may not be great at many lol. But I'll be the same, trying to get my girls into it. Not asking what's popular and easily available on the beeb.

Back to the op. I've not looked, does anyone have the financial figures. It's all well and good expecting the r&a to take a morale stance, but they are a business after all. The beeb are meant to be a public service. So maybe sky aren't the bad guys, maybe the Beeb are. If we go along with the that sport can be aspirational and is a good thing for wellbeing, what exactly does easterners bring? Other than viewing figures?

Nope, my old man liked / likes Football, Darts and Snooker. He only took up golf about 5 years after i started playing.

You're right, participation shouldnt be reliant on mass exposure and there are a number of reasons why participation in golf is dropping. But no exposure on terrestrial tv isnt going to help.

As for the beeb and the R&A, well the latter has to balance simply making money with promoting the game. They are there for the game as a whole, not just the top professionals. I dunno about the beeb, they seem to have lost their way on a number of things.

 

[bozza]

Over the last 10-15 years the sports Sky has invested in football/darts/rugby/golf etc do you think they have ruined them sports or the coverage of it?

Nope it hasn't, it's improved them all.

Give it 5-10 years and I bet the majority of people will have forgot about the BBC's Stone Age coverage of the golf and will enjoy Sky's coverage.

 

[Papas1982]

Nope, my old man liked / likes Football, Darts and Snooker. He only took up golf about 5 years after i started playing.

You're right, participation shouldnt be reliant on mass exposure and there are a number of reasons why participation in golf is dropping. But no exposure on terrestrial tv isnt going to help.

As for the beeb and the R&A, well the latter has to balance simply making money with promoting the game. They are there for the game as a whole, not just the top professionals. I dunno about the beeb, they seem to have lost their way on a number of things.

Just wanna point out, wasn't trying to suggest their was a right or wrong way of parenting. Crossed my mind that may have come across.

As as to the Beeb, unfortunately I think they're the same as all corporations these days. Finances are the only driving force these days.

 

[Tongo]

Over the last 10-15 years the sports Sky has invested in football/darts/rugby/golf etc do you think they have ruined them sports or the coverage of it?

Nope it hasn't, it's improved them all.

Give it 5-10 years and I bet the majority of people will have forgot about the BBC's Stone Age coverage of the golf and will enjoy Sky's coverage.

I never said that Sky's coverage was worse. But I didnt get into cricket and golf cos of the quality / lack of quality of the coverage, i got into the sports cos i was able to watch them.

 

[Tongo]

Just wanna point out, wasn't trying to suggest their was a right or wrong way of parenting. Crossed my mind that may have come across.

As as to the Beeb, unfortunately I think they're the same as all corporations these days. Finances are the only driving force these days.

Nah, i didnt read that at all! In many ways what you were saying was right, many kids will follow what their parents do.

 

[pogle]

And they will....
But the vast majority of people won't be able to see it.
The kid down the street won't come home, switch on the box and see Rory launching a 350 harder, won't be enthralled by it and subsequently won't take up the game.

!!!

 

[teetime75]

Just look at Darts and the last ten years of both the PDC and BDO.

One is available to all and one is exclusive to some. I know which one I would want to be a part of.

The single biggest hinderance to golf participation is that view that it is played by rich old men. Sky don't do half measures, so the Open will get the full hog, their Sports news channel, twitter accounts and analysts will get people talking and hopefully first timers trying it for themselves.

It also provides a big injection of cash into British golf.

If there`s one thing puts me off tv sport it`s analysts.
Be it footy golf snooker or darts,I employ the mute I don`t need anyone to tell me what i`ve
just seen,

I`ve got a brain and can analyse my own game as it progresses.
I do not need Steve Davis to tell me such a body should not have missed that easy red.
Get rid.

 

[Tongo]

Just look at Darts and the last ten years of both the PDC and BDO.

One is available to all and one is exclusive to some. I know which one I would want to be a part of.

The single biggest hinderance to golf participation is that view that it is played by rich old men. Sky don't do half measures, so the Open will get the full hog, their Sports news channel, twitter accounts and analysts will get people talking and hopefully first timers trying it for themselves.

It also provides a big injection of cash into British golf.

Yeah, but look at the viewing figures for the two finals. The PDC is the far superior organisation but Sky wont get much more than a million watching the final. The BDO is pretty average in terms of the quality on show but the final still has, on average, attracted between 3 & 4 million viewers each year.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Over the last 10-15 years the sports Sky has invested in football/darts/rugby/golf etc do you think they have ruined them sports or the coverage of it?

Nope it hasn't, it's improved them all.

Give it 5-10 years and I bet the majority of people will have forgot about the BBC's Stone Age coverage of the golf and will enjoy Sky's coverage.

The sport hasn't changed since Sky started showing golf - not one single bit has changed that can be attributed to Sky

Less people now watch the sport because of the lack of golf on terrestrial telly - when I was growing up there were a great deal number events on telly - not now

Sky hasn't improved all sports - it's just made some sports more money focused

When the BBC show the Open they show more golf shots within that 4 day period that Sky do all year round - ten hours uninterrupted coverage with no adverts , no shot centre and available to the whole of the country

 

[Papas1982]

The sport hasn't changed since Sky started showing golf - not one single bit has changed that can be attributed to Sky

Less people now watch the sport because of the lack of golf on terrestrial telly - when I was growing up there were a great deal number events on telly - not now

Sky hasn't improved all sports - it's just made some sports more money focused

When the BBC show the Open they show more golf shots within that 4 day period that Sky do all year round - ten hours uninterrupted coverage with no adverts , no shot centre and available to the whole of the country

The Beeb is a business. Supply and demand. Not enough people want golf so they don't show it. Who showed the better coverage of the solheim cup?

 

[Tashyboy]

I would never say one way or another that sky improves or makes a sport worse.
But what I will say is that putting it on sky and sky alone makes it available to less people so how that can be a good thing.
if it is on BBC, ITV etc if you don't like it (football, golf etc etc ) you can turn it off or over.

 

[Papas1982]

The sport hasn't changed since Sky started showing golf - not one single bit has changed that can be attributed to Sky

Less people now watch the sport because of the lack of golf on terrestrial telly - when I was growing up there were a great deal number events on telly - not now

Sky hasn't improved all sports - it's just made some sports more money focused

When the BBC show the Open they show more golf shots within that 4 day period that Sky do all year round - ten hours uninterrupted coverage with no adverts , no shot centre and available to the whole of the country

Just to reiterate, you're hear criticising sky's coverage blaiming a lack of viewing figures on them, yet streaming the footy online I presume......

just like film piracy, these are reasons for viewing figures going down. People not willing to pay to participate, looking for the cheap option.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Beeb is a business. Supply and demand. Not enough people want golf so they don't show it. Who showed the better coverage of the solheim cup?

It can be the best coverage in the world - it doesn't change the fact it's not available to everyone

People can't just turn over and watch for the Open - they would now have to pay to watch it - non golfers aren't going to pay to watch it

You now have the situation where you won't attract non golfers to watch the sport.

 

[Jungle]

If there`s one thing puts me off tv sport it`s analysts.
Be it footy golf snooker or darts,I employ the mute I don`t need anyone to tell me what i`ve
just seen,

I`ve got a brain and can analyse my own game as it progresses.
I do not need Steve Davis to tell me such a body should not have missed that easy red.
Get rid.

Yep, nothing like ten minutes of silence to really let that performance sink in.

For as much as the arm chair fan likes to think they know their stuff there is no replacing someone who has played at a top level, has faced down a six footer for a championship. It's great having that insight.

Yes, some personalities may not be to everyones liking but by in large the know what they are talking about.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Just to reiterate, you're hear criticising sky's coverage blaiming a lack of viewing figures on them, yet streaming the footy online I presume......

just like film piracy, these are reasons for viewing figures going down. People not willing to pay to participate, looking for the cheap option.

I always say don't presume anything

 

[Papas1982]

I always say don't presume anything

Ok. Straight question. Radio? Sky? Or anfield. Where was your opinion on today's game formed?

 

[Papas1982]

It can be the best coverage in the world - it doesn't change the fact it's not available to everyone

People can't just turn over and watch for the Open - they would now have to pay to watch it - non golfers aren't going to pay to watch it

You now have the situation where you won't attract non golfers to watch the sport.

All of what you say is true. And your opinion of golf coverage has been documented (you don't rate sky). But to suggest non golf fans can't find it isn't really true. People found it previously by scrolling through 4 channels.

Are you suggesting people watch every channel hey have in their sky package? My old dear mother in law doesn't like sport at all but has the complete package. So her son could be at home. Footy finishes and he flicks through and sees the golf.

I i agree not everyone will see it. But it being on terrestrial imo hasn't exactky seen golf thrive. There are bigger issues than who will be showing ONE competition a year. The Ryder cup is rumoured to be one of the most watch sporting events in the world. What channel is it watched on? So plenty we it and not all of them pick up clubs.