Question for papyt....

[BTatHome]

Re: Question for baby....

Just re-read this and the other thread that it started in ....

I'm now quite shocked at the attitude of pointing to where you think the ball is, and then just standing in the middled the fairway thinking it helps anyone. What happens when the opponent doesn't immediately find his ball, does he have to continue the search on his own (I assume so because your in your zone for 5 mins of concentration). If he then has to go back to the tee to play another is this helping your game still? So what if he actually played a provisional originally? Ae you executing him to not spend the 5 mins looking?

I'm struggling to see how any of this helps your game, apart from not getting your feet wet from the wet grass?

 

[Scottjd1]

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I have played with a number of the forum members and they have, without exception, been top guys and there isn't one who I wouldn't welcome a game with on any day of the week.

Thanks Chris......

Im a bit confused at this thread as im yet to miss a fairway so what is this 'looking for a golf ball' that you are all talking about ??

 

[chrisd]

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Thanks Chris......

Im a bit confused at this thread as im yet to miss a fairway so what is this 'looking for a golf ball' that you are all talking about ??

Not a problem Scott ....... we found you ball on the green on the 18th ok, as it was still sitting there smiling at us after 3 putts.... wasn't it?? :ears:

 

[GreiginFife]

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It's been questioned a couple of times as to whether papyt is a wind up merchant but it's become clear that he's not and really thinks this way.
If you look back over previous threads like the one where he says high handicappers shouldn't spend on their equipment it just shows that elitism is alive and well sadly.
And to suggest that people don't post their honest opinions is just crap of the highest order.

 

[Imurg]

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In a match I'd look for an opponents ball with the same vigour I'd use if it was mine we were searching for. Regardless of whether the favour was returned, I'd still be looking for his ball later in the round. If they choose to not help me that's their option. I will always help to look. But they may be looking for another playing partner..

Why?

Because that's what being a Golfer is about. That's the difference between being a Golfer and playing Golf.....

Ettiquette begins the Rule Book - the frst few pages are given over to it. This, to me, implies that above all the Ettiqutte and behaviour of players is, in a way, more important than the Rules. It defines you as a person, as a Golfer. Ettiqutte first. Then the Rules.

There's been plenty of times when I've hoped that a ball has been lost by an opponent - that's a million miles away from not helping him to search for it.

 

[NWJocko]

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i play golf in the spirit of the game and have done on and off for over 35 years so i don't need a lecture in how to conduct myself on or off the course.

Genuine question - was it you that punched someone's lights out on a course? Just want to correlate that with your statement above.

Re the original question... I always, always look for playing partners balls. I am rarely in too much trouble myself (not said with a big head, just fact) so sometimes don't need the favour to be returned. The point is, I would hope my playing partners would help if I was in the clag.

I am one of these weird folk that has a knack for finding people's ball in the rough! Always get a good line from the shot and often find them for people.

What is it that drives you not to look for a ball? Is it only in matchplay or medal play where your partners are not your "opponents" directly?

 

[AuburnWarrior]

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I'd always look for an oppo's ball. It's a no-brainer. It's part and parcel of golf that you help your playing partners when their ball is in the rubbish. So far, I've yet to play with anyone who hasn't done the same. If I did, I'd think twice about playing with them again.
Have I ever wished a player duff a shot during matchplay? Of course. Who on here hasn't? But, I'll always congratulate an oppo on a great shot/putt - it's the right thing to do.
BUT, I'd never do anything to put an oppo off their shot, I'd always look for their ball and NEVER cheat to get a win. I'd rather lose.
Golf is much, much more than simply winning. I want to play well but what if I don't? My life won't be over. I'll still go home to my Wife and kids which mean far more to me than golf ever will. Plus, if you play badly then at least you can have a good laugh about back in the clubhouse.
I think golf echoes daily life - you need to be polite, respectful and helpful whilst out on the course. If you're not then you'll quickly run out of playing partners.

 

[NWJocko]

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Golf is much, much more than simply winning. I want to play well but what if I don't? My life won't be over. I'll still go home to my Wife and kids which mean far more to me than golf ever will. Plus, if you play badly then at least you can have a good laugh about back in the clubhouse.
I think golf echoes daily life - you need to be polite, respectful and helpful whilst out on the course. If you're not then you'll quickly run out of playing partners.

Very well put and a great attitude. I had an absolute howler this morning in the medal, handicap long gone by the turn but am now at home playing with my daughter and only have 0.1 back. Who cares?

 

[Scottjd1]

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Didnt Tiger hit his frist tee shot into the rough at Carnoustie in the Open a few years back, I seem to remember his (professionla) playing partners and their caddies all looking in knee high wispy grass for the full 5 minutes.

Probably not a serious match though eh?

 

[AuburnWarrior]

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Didnt Tiger hit his frist tee shot into the rough at Carnoustie in the Open a few years back, I seem to remember his (professionla) playing partners and their caddies all looking in knee high wispy grass for the full 5 minutes.

Probably not a serious match though eh?

Nah, they knew he wouldn't make the cut so just messed about for two days.....

 

[Foxholer]

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IF they carved it into the dense gorse or thick trees and they had not played a provisional ball when advised to

If it was you that gave that advice, then you've already lost the hole!

Only ever been 1 person I wouldn't want to play a game of golf with, but I don't think I'd be in a rush to have you as a partner either!

This could be worth a read! http://www.randa.org/en/Playing-Golf/Spirit-of-the-Game.aspx

 

[Hendo007]

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Totally agree with what NWJocko said, I played crap today and collected my 0.1 for my troubles. Played the same ball all the way round and never found any rough, (quite a few bunkers though) had to look for my opponents balls on about 4 occasions. Didn't bother me one bit, would have went home and played with my daughter too by unfortunately had to come into my work for 12 hours !!!

 

[papyt]

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Genuine question - was it you that punched someone's lights out on a course? Just want to correlate that with your statement above.

Re the original question... I always, always look for playing partners balls. I am rarely in too much trouble myself (not said with a big head, just fact) so sometimes don't need the favour to be returned. The point is, I would hope my playing partners would help if I was in the clap.

I am one of these weird folk that has a knack for finding people's ball in the rough! Always get a good line from the shot and often find them for people.

What is it that drives you not to look for a ball? Is it only in matchplay or medal play where your partners are not your "opponents" directly?

yes is the answer to your first question,after being hit by a ball and hitting it into ob only to be fronted by owner of ball ( read the post ),as regards the question of looking for a lost ball ball A -- is carved into the rubbish,well off line and into thick gorse, then the player of ball A is ADVISED that if it was me i would play a provisional just be safe,he chooses not to and heads off into the thickest gorse bushes,my point is why should i have to go hunting for his ball that there is very slim chance of finding or if found him having no shot and him having to declare it lost or unplayable,he chose not to play a provisional and therefore slowed up play by taking 5 mins to try and find a ball that was probably gone forever and then messing about dropping in the rough.

 

[USER1999]

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I would always look for the ball, often whether the owner wants me to or not. I love seeing people having to play out of neck deep bundu. It gives me a warm glow.

 

[BTatHome]

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Why would you play a provisional for a ball that you have no intention of looking for ?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

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it all depends on were they have hit it as i stated before IF in the rough and i had a line on it i would tell them were it was IF they carved it into the dense gorse or thick trees and they had not played a provisional ball when advised to then no,and lets be honest on this subject how many on here hand on heart have actually just gone through the motions of looking for a ball in a match play comp.lost by the person your trying to beatHOPING not to find it.

Wow, I'm actually amazed you wouldn't help your opponent find his ball, finding it might even be to your advantage.

I can also say that I've never half heartedly looked for a ball. I always try to find it as if it were my own and would expect others to do the same for me. If I was in the clag looking for my ball and you were stood in the middle of the fairway twiddling your thumbs, I probably hope to beat you convincingly and then never want to play with you again.

I've always thought golf had high standards of fair play and if I win I want to know I won fair and square, clearly you don't have the same outlook.

 

[papyt]

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You are mixing up two issues - inner thoughts (miss that putt) with actual poor etiquette (not looking for a ball). No one has suggested that you jump into a muddy ditch but you own posting have convinced me that you have low standards of etiquette simply because I read what you wrote and that is my opinion.

I have played with a number of the forum members and they have, without exception, been top guys and there isn't one who I wouldn't welcome a game with on any day of the week but then none of them have refused to search for a lost ball or taken a high handed attitude to higher handicappers.

It isn't that you said what you think - it's what you think that I so disagree with!

i have said before i say what some people think be it inner thoughts or out loud when your not in that persons company (behind their backs ) in man enough to say things to peoples faces and i know you will find this hard to believe but have many friends at the golf club and behold,they all know my opinions on many aspects and don't have a problem,elitist,verging on cheating etc etc if that's what you think so be it but i am not a hypocrite like some who post on these pages how in one breath your wishing an opponent to miss or duff his shots and in the next breath say you would dive into gorse bushes to retrieve a ball,pointing out were you think the ball entered the rough is one thing wading into thick bushes is another.

 

[Imurg]

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but i am not a hypocrite like some who post on these pages how in one breath your wishing an opponent to miss or duff his shots and in the next breath say you would dive into gorse bushes to retrieve a ball,pointing out were you think the ball entered the rough is one thing wading into thick bushes is another.

You're obviously not a Golfer - you just play Golf....

Everyone - Everyone - who plays a match against someone else will, at some time, have wished bad luck on an opponent. That goes for Pros too.......
Do you think Oosty was hoping that Bubba was going to hole the winning putt or miss it?

Thinking something like that is natural competitiveness.
Not looking for your oppponents ball just makes you an arse.

 

[papyt]

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You're obviously not a Golfer - you just play Golf....

Everyone - Everyone - who plays a match against someone else will, at some time, have wished bad luck on an opponent. That goes for Pros too.......
Do you think Oosty was hoping that Bubba was going to hole the winning putt or miss it?

Thinking something like that is natural competitiveness.
Not looking for your opponents ball just makes you an arse.

your talking rubbish,am i the only golfer on this forum that has never looked for an opponents ball? or like i said before only half heartedly looked for it hoping it would be lost? if the answer is yes then i admit to being an arse if not ( and i think this is more likely )i will expect an apology,but i don't think many will admit to it because of the backlash from the FORUM MAFIA.

 

[rosecott]

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am i the only golfer on this forum that has never looked for an opponents ball?

Yes - or at least I hope so.

I think you should join Leaney (he who doesn't like old people) on the naughty step.