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[Deleted member 29109]

Is there by any chance a LiV event this week?

Not too sure which thread this ought to go on, and just an observation really.

Last week, the three events giving out the most OWGR points were all run by the PGA Tour organisation, and all in North America.

#missionaccomplished ?

Where else in the world had events that had fields better that the ones in the US?

That's because OWGR is all about the US.....just like they think all golf is about the US.

Who is they?

 

[BubbaP]

The best golfers generally play in the US, so not surprising.

A mate just told me McIlroy is No.2 in the world, but closer in points to the World No. 4000 than he is to Scheffler. Not fact checked it, but it sounds like it could be true

The gap is more than Rory has above zero, so Scheffler could put his feet up for a fair while!

I recall Rory saying a bit back he felt the two year cycle they use was too long - perhaps he had an feeling on what was coming!

 

[BubbaP]

Is there by any chance a LiV event this week?

Why are you so obsessed with LIV and have to bring it up on so many threads?

 

[Dando]

Even though I'm a big critic of the OWGR, they do currently have the top 1 places in the correct order - it's just the other 8690 that are wrong.

wow, i'm shocked at that

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Why are you so obsessed with LIV and have to bring it up on so many threads?

Give me a list of all of the threads I have brought it up on?

 

[Mel Smooth]

Who’s your top 10? Doesn’t have to be in order.

I'm not sure Hovland deserves to be in there on current form (but that's over a short period rather than the two years the OWGR is using) I'd take Cantlay out possibly Harman. Rory isn't number two either - I'd have to go with Wyndham there.

BDC, Cam Smith and Niemann would all be contenders for a place in the top 10

 

[AussieKB]

Is there by any chance a LiV event this week?

Where else in the world had events that had fields better that the ones in the US?


Who is they?

USA

 

[Deleted member 29109]

USA

The whole of the USA, like all 333 million of them?

 

[AussieKB]

The whole of the USA, like all 333 million of them?

No I am sure 1 or 2 are not that bias.

 

[Swango1980]

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The gap is more than Rory has above zero, so Scheffler could put his feet up for a fair while!

I recall Rory saying a bit back he felt the two year cycle they use was too long - perhaps he had an feeling on what was coming!

I'm currently sitting on zero World Ranking Points. Looks like this means the gap between myself and Rory McIlroy is closer than the gap between him and Scheffler

 

[Orikoru]

I'm not sure Hovland deserves to be in there on current form (but that's over a short period rather than the two years the OWGR is using) I'd take Cantlay out possibly Harman. Rory isn't number two either - I'd have to go with Wyndham there.

BDC, Cam Smith and Niemann would all be contenders for a place in the top 10

The Data Golf list is interesting. They have Hatton and Niemann in the top 10, Bryson 15, but Smith is only at number 40. I guess he's been off form a little bit lately? Cantlay is actually at 6, but Harman is 23, which seems fair. He's still dining out on that Open win a little bit (plus a T2 at the Players).

 

[Singlefiguregokfer]

I don’t know how Smoth can be called top 10 on current form when he isn’t one of the top 10 in LIV rankings this season.
Niemann, Rahm & Burmester are the top 3 at present.

 

[Swango1980]

I don’t know how Smoth can be called top 10 on current form when he isn’t one of the top 10 in LIV rankings this season.
Niemann, Rahm & Burmester are the top 3 at present.

I'm going to make a big call here, and say the ranking system in Mel Smooth's head is seriously flawed

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I don’t know how Smoth can be called top 10 on current form when he isn’t one of the top 10 in LIV rankings this season.
Niemann, Rahm & Burmester are the top 3 at present.

Smith has spent most of his career outside the top 10. He had one exceptional year and one good year that catapulted him up the rankings. Now he appears to have returned to his pre 2022 form.

Decent, but not exceptional.

 

[Singlefiguregokfer]

Smith has spent most of his career outside the top 10. He had one exceptional year and one good year that catapulted him up the rankings. Now he appears to have returned to his pre 2022 form.

Decent, but not exceptional.

I don’t think there’s any doubt that he’s one of the top players. But, if basing top 10 on current form, I don’t know how you can include someone who isn’t even top 10 in LIV.

 

[Mel Smooth]

I'm going to make a big call here, and say the ranking system in Mel Smooth's head is seriously flawed

And yet it’s more accurate than the official one that costs £350,000 a year to run.

 

[rksquire]

That graphic of the OWGR with Scottie is an eye opener - I don't think I've ever seen a gap of more than 2 points between 1st & 2nd, never mind over 7 points.... maybe Tiger at his peak? Whilst I don't think the OWGR is actually relevant anymore as a metric (I get the argument that 'they' knew the situation relating to ranking points, but an 'official' ranking system that only ranks some professional golfers doesn't seem right - regardless of the format), but it is absolutely correct that Scottie is miles better than anyone else.

But it's a double edged sword, whilst he is the undisputed no. 1, the others are open to debate - McIlroy is default 2nd thanks to Rahm; Rahm is hanging around (by virtue of the fact the Zurich has no ranking points) but by the time of the next Major could be down to 8th; Fleetwood might actually be the 11th best player in the world but its all established using a metric that ignores others so it means people can reasonably speculate with regard to BDC, Niemann & even Gooch. In a very short space of time it looks like Aberg will be ranked within the top 5 - I'm usually okay with meteoric rises but in 10 tournaments (including the masters), the guy could retire but has yet to win.

There is definitely a lack of competition, but more for those ranked behind Scheffler, but the current system is underlining the point. A diluted system would at least provide some interest - like who is actually the highest ranked regular DPWT player? It's not really Pavon as he's played most of his 2024 golf in the US, so maybe Hoshino or Svensson? The reality is the OGWR ranks PGAT players only - the other 'world' tours are only an afterthought.

 

[Singlefiguregokfer]

That graphic of the OWGR with Scottie is an eye opener - I don't think I've ever seen a gap of more than 2 points between 1st & 2nd, never mind over 7 points.... maybe Tiger at his peak? Whilst I don't think the OWGR is actually relevant anymore as a metric (I get the argument that 'they' knew the situation relating to ranking points, but an 'official' ranking system that only ranks some professional golfers doesn't seem right - regardless of the format), but it is absolutely correct that Scottie is miles better than anyone else.

But it's a double edged sword, whilst he is the undisputed no. 1, the others are open to debate - McIlroy is default 2nd thanks to Rahm; Rahm is hanging around (by virtue of the fact the Zurich has no ranking points) but by the time of the next Major could be down to 8th; Fleetwood might actually be the 11th best player in the world but its all established using a metric that ignores others so it means people can reasonably speculate with regard to BDC, Niemann & even Gooch. In a very short space of time it looks like Aberg will be ranked within the top 5 - I'm usually okay with meteoric rises but in 10 tournaments (including the masters), the guy could retire but has yet to win.

There is definitely a lack of competition, but more for those ranked behind Scheffler, but the current system is underlining the point. A diluted system would at least provide some interest - like who is actually the highest ranked regular DPWT player? It's not really Pavon as he's played most of his 2024 golf in the US, so maybe Hoshino or Svensson? The reality is the OGWR ranks PGAT players only - the other 'world' tours are only an afterthought.

You obviously don’t remember Tiger’s dominance over everyone else.

Also, Aberg has won 4 times. One on PGA tour, one on DPW Tour, twice on the Nordic tour.

 

[wjemather]

That graphic of the OWGR with Scottie is an eye opener - I don't think I've ever seen a gap of more than 2 points between 1st & 2nd, never mind over 7 points.... maybe Tiger at his peak?

This was just after completing the Tiger Slam:



And that wasn't even the peak!! That (total points and gap to second) came the following month after wins in Germany and at Memorial.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Under the old system, Tiger at times had (almost) 3 times as many points as second place. He was in a completely different class to everyone else.
Not taking anything away from him, but Scotty isn’t even close to what Tiger achieved.

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