Pro shop service

[duncan mackie]

duncan

I think you are missing my point. If my Pro sells the club in his shop for me and gets say £100, that goes into my account and I then spend that money on his stock. Or he sends it off to Golfbidder who offer £50, which I then spend in his shop.

Bottom line is I spend £50 less on his shiny new gear. So he has done himself out of an additional £50 of business. Seems to me that way neither of us benefit.

I haven't (missed your point)

By your argument he should give you £1000 for the putter and you would all benefit.......hopefully you will will see that the principle is flawed, and it then comes down to the amount.

Foxholer is explaining the other part of the modern dynamics (that increasingly apply)

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Fully agree Foxholer, the guy has to make a living. The way I see it, at a private members club he isn't going to have the same footfall as a municipal club pro so I reckon he has to maximise his earnings by endearing himself to the members in order to build a rapport with them thus ensuring he is their first port of call.

 

[Hobbit]

I think you are missing my point. If my Pro sells the club in his shop for me and gets say £100, that goes into my account and I then spend that money on his stock. Or he sends it off to Golfbidder who offer £50, which I then spend in his shop.

Bottom line is I spend £50 less on his shiny new gear. So he has done himself out of an additional £50 of business. Seems to me that way neither of us benefit.

So you want him to sell it for £100, and credit your account £100. You want him to do the donkey work, and have it take up selling space for nothing... other than he'll get to sell you something else against that £100.

A number of pro's that sell for members take a cut for the donkey work. The part-ex version would see you getting the GB price, which you might find is the £100 anyway - might be worth you asking him to get a GB quote.

 

[Val]

But selling members cast offs and giving the member full price back ain't going to give him a living even if he does offer the sale as an account credit

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I would imagine he has had experience of trying to offload gear for members before and ended up being lumbered with it. Just because you think its a decent putter and a decent price doesn't mean it will appeal elsewhere. Clearly his profits are made on selling new gear and so if he can move stuff on quickly via Golfbidder, get some revenue for it and keep the shop full of new gear to lure the members I don't see the issue. If you aren't happy do as you've said and flog it privately yourself and keep the cash. It does seem that you want him to do all the legwork for you with the promise of you then spending the £100 on your account but with no guarantee when that will be.

 

[MadAdey]

If you have something decent to sell then my Pro will put it in the shop. You just tell him what you want for it, then he sells it and takes whatever he can get on top of that.

 

[DappaDonDave]

Personally I'd keep it in the shop at your £100 charge you 15% of the sale and also advise that if someone makes an offer with 90% of the asking price it would be accepted. The worse you'd get would be £75.50.

Business is business.

 

[Foxholer]

Foxholer is explaining the other part of the modern dynamics (that increasingly apply)

Badly..or not strongly enough, it would seem.

@Drive4Show. Your attitude is reasonable as well. The Pro has probably considered doing that and decided against it - for whatever reason. It would be worth actually telling him what you plan and why. It might get you an explanation (or maybe a gruff 'up to you; do what you want!') and could plant a seed or the future.

 

[DCB]

Remember the Pro has to think about vat on the second hand stuff he's selling. If he's keeping his books properly he'll be using the second hand margin scheme to detail his vat for these items

 

[Hobbit]

Remember the Pro has to think about vat on the second hand stuff he's selling. If he's keeping his books properly he'll be using the second hand margin scheme to detail his vat for these items

He also has to remember that to remain an agent for many of the top manufacturers he has to shift a certain amount of stock. Selling good secondhand eqpt doesn't help him hit his selling targets.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Hobbit

Yes, he is going to phone GB today and let me know what they offer. I'm expecting something silly based on previous experience with GB, probably about £50-60. I'll be selling it privately then I'll spend the money elsewhere.

He has lost out on £100 worth of business but that is his business decision.

 

[Val]

Hobbit

Yes, he is going to phone GB today and let me know what they offer. I'm expecting something silly based on previous experience with GB, probably about £50-60. I'll be selling it privately then I'll spend the money elsewhere.

He has lost out on £100 worth of business but that is his business decision.

No that's your decision. You could still spend it there.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

No that's your decision. You could still spend it there.

I could but I won't. There are two other good competitvely priced shops in the area (plus AG and I also work directly across the road from NB) and unfortunately this guy has done nothing to warrant my business.

Most pro shops have a 2nd hand rack or bag full of clubs which often tempt people to spend money that they wouldn't normally spend purely because they see a bargain.

 

[Foxholer]

Hobbit

Yes, he is going to phone GB today and let me know what they offer. I'm expecting something silly based on previous experience with GB, probably about £50-60. I'll be selling it privately then I'll spend the money elsewhere.

He has lost out on £100 worth of business but that is his business decision.

So you've got him wasting his time making a call to GB on your behalf.

And you don't think he's providing a service to club members?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So you've got him wasting his time making a call to GB on your behalf.

And you don't think he's providing a service to club members?

He took the putter off me and said he would call GB, I didn't ask him.

 

[chris661]

He took the putter off me and said he would call GB, I didn't ask him.

So if you have no intention I using him again why not take it back off him?

If you say you won't use him what happens if he can't make a living at it so closes up and no other pro comes near the place?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So if you have no intention I using him again why not take it back off him?

If you say you won't use him what happens if he can't make a living at it so closes up and no other pro comes near the place?

I will be getting the putter back from him when I'm next up there at the weekend unless GB surprise me by making a realistic offer but I'm not holding my breath.

As an aside to this discussion, don't forget that the club are paying a hefty retainer to him in return for a 'service', so surely he has some sort of obligation to the members?

 

[Matty]

Maybe there's room for a middle ground that has not occurred to anyone. Why not take stuff in and pro / seller agrees a price to try to sell it. Goes in the rack for a month (maybe longer in winter) and if not sold in that time seller collects it or it goes to golf bidder. If sold of GB then money is credited to your account.

To be fair though I can see why pros don't want the hassle, unless the club takes a % for selling the kit they are making turnover but not profit - why work for no money?

 

[bobmac]

As an aside to this discussion, don't forget that the club are paying a hefty retainer to him in return for a 'service

How much?

 

[Val]

I will be getting the putter back from him when I'm next up there at the weekend unless GB surprise me by making a realistic offer but I'm not holding my breath.

As an aside to this discussion, don't forget that the club are paying a hefty retainer to him in return for a 'service', so surely he has some sort of obligation to the members?

A retainer? Is that enough to keep him and his family?

You are being very short sighted, you criticise him as he won't make you money and because of this you won't support him.

Seem a very 1 sided thought.

I have to add, our pro doesn't have a second hand rack.