Homer
Active member
Really?
potential problem with the new 'flag in' rule !
- Thread starter garyinderry
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Really?
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Deleted member 15344
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I most certainly hope so - no point bringing in all these rules to help the pace of play to then watch certain golfers take forever over each shot and people accept it as a norm
Shooter McPowick
Head Pro
What’s the ruling on deliberately replacing the pin facing away from your putt. On windy days I feel this is fair enough as “the gods†decide but like others I think there’s the potential to almost legally cheat here
Apology accepted.
Of course there are definitive studies when it comes to golf. Its a game hugely effected by physics, mechanics, maths and engineering. Do you definitively agree that a titanium headed driver goes further than a wooden one, with all other variables being even? I can only assume by your post that you don't, not certainly as gospel anyway.
Academically, you don't need sample sizes running into the millions to prove or disprove theories. Nothing would ever get done.
The pros are human, and most aren't going to change behaivour right away - no matter how overwhelming the evidence is they'll want to see it in practice first hand. As I've already said, give it time. You only need to look at other results that disproved commonly held beliefs to understand how this works in reality.
Again, anecdotal evidence is entirely worthless so I don't know why you keep mentioning it.
From your comments above you'll probably still deny once the studies come out anyway like a flat earther - so just believe what you want to, it's no skin off my nose if someone chooses to deny science for whatever reason.
It's going round in circles and there's literally nothing more I can say on it at the moment so I'm done ðŸ‘ðŸ»
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Rule 13.2a prohibits it being done deliberately. But, I guess there is always scope for the less than scrupulous - "I put it in leaning away from the ball? Really? I didn't realise ... "
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
You are not allowed to .
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
You are allowed to attempt to centre the flag.
Grant85
Head Pro
I think as far as the pros go, they are completely unconcerned about pace of play and have caddies to deal with the flag.
It seems likely we will see most of them continue to remove the pin, but ultimately if there is an advantage to be gained then I can’t imagine that any will keep removing it.
It seems likely we will see most of them continue to remove the pin, but ultimately if there is an advantage to be gained then I can’t imagine that any will keep removing it.
Rlburnside
Challenge Tour Pro
Played for the first time with the new rules today one pp dropped from shoulder height won't be the last I think, I liked the new rule regarding leaving the flag in good to just put the long ones without having to wait for it to be tended and saved a bit of time.
richart
Major Champion
You haven't heard ? It doesn't save time.
Fully expecting someone to tell me it is slower next.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Pros shouting at Landry in fairway dropping from shoulder height tonight,
Stopped himself and dropped from knee height.
Rlburnside
Challenge Tour Pro
Yes there's going to be a few penalties handed out, would those pros not be deemed giving advice to Landry?
ger147
Tour Winner
No.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
It’s not a penalty I think ? As long as you rectify your mistake and drop from knee height!
Rlburnside
Challenge Tour Pro
Ok but it just got me wondering as one of my pp advised me not to drop from shoulder height today.
But that's not advice then
ger147
Tour Winner
Ok but it just got me wondering as one of my pp advised me not to drop from shoulder height today.
But that's not advice then
It's not deemed as advice under the rules of golf, no.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Nor is there any penalty for dropping from shoulder height - provided the player corrects himself by dropping properly before playing the ball.
Rlburnside
Challenge Tour Pro
One of my group was a 4/ hc and he realised after 7 holes that he dropped from shoulder height on the 3rd .
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Handicap has nothing to do with knowledge of the rules in my experience.
Most low men know them but not all.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
In which case it would be a 1 shot penalty if the ball was played from within the appropriate relief area, or the general penalty (2 shots or loss of hole) if it was played from outside the relief area. A bit of a b***er, but not the end of the world.
