Playing in 2 comps at the same time

[mcbroon]

I think I probably know the answer to this but thought I'd ask anyway:

This weekend is our first qualifier at the year. I've been looking forward to it for ages. However, I've just had a phone call from our opponents in an oft-postponed Winter League pairs match and they want to play, you guessed it, on Saturday.

I'm thinking the Winter League is a semi-formal affair, arranged by the club to give us some competitive golf during winter, so I'm not sure what official status it has, if any. The status of the qualifier is clear.

So my questions is can I play in the qualifier and play the pairs match in the same round? Obviously I'd need to hole everything in the qualifier, so wouldn't have any gimmes in the pairs match, but that doesn't give me any advantage in either comp (if anything, it would be a disadvantage in the pairs comp).

 

[Imurg]

If the Pairs is Matchplay and the Qualifier Strokeplay then you can't.

Some of the Penalties are different.

 

[rulefan]

Rule 33-1 says you can't play matchplay and strokeplay at the same time.
The match would be null and void. All would be DQd from the strokeplay comp.

You could play the qualifier first then the match but not the other way round

 

[Ethan]

Can't play stroke (or equivalent) and matchplay at same time. DQ in stroke and matchplay result void. Rule 33-1 Decision 6.

 

[Foxholer]

If you try to play Stokeplay and Matchplay in the same round, you will be disqualified from both!

As an absolutely last resort, rather than coin toss, you could play 'Blind Pairs Strokeplay' as a match - but rules of the Winter Pairs comp might preclude that. One of my previous clubs merely required a 'result' so didn't mind how that result was obtained.

 

[mcbroon]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Bummer.

Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I remember one match being decided on 18 holes on the putting green as both players could not find a date.
In match play all you need is a name to go forward.

 

[duncan mackie]

I remember one match being decided on 18 holes on the putting green as both players could not find a date.
In match play all you need is a name to go forward.

just to clarify (as this is the Rules forum) - whilst you can establish who is going to concede a match by any means you wish, you cannot play the match using a different format, stipulated course etc

this is a very important distinction and is covered in 2-4/21

 

[Foxholer]

just to clarify (as this is the Rules forum) - whilst you can establish who is going to concede a match by any means you wish, you cannot play the match using a different format, stipulated course etc

this is a very important distinction and is covered in 2-4/21

But if you apply that decision then, unless specified in the Conditions of Competition (like it was in my example above) both sides should be disqualified.

I agree that, where Conditions of Competition allow 'any method' be used to decide the result where the 'normal' match cannot be arranged, then the 'alternate method' is t determine who concedes the match.

I find that decision somewhat peculiar, as it acknowledges that there is no Rule stopping that method then almost applies 'spirit of The Rules' logic by referring to waive-ing the (non-eistent) Rule!

 

[duncan mackie]

But if you apply that decision then, unless specified in the Conditions of Competition (like it was in my example above) both sides should be disqualified.

I agree that, where Conditions of Competition allow 'any method' be used to decide the result where the 'normal' match cannot be arranged, then the 'alternate method' is t determine who concedes the match.

I find that decision somewhat peculiar, as it acknowledges that there is no Rule stopping that method then almost applies 'spirit of The Rules' logic by referring to waive-ing the (non-eistent) Rule!

from your post you don't seem to be reading it correctly - you can decide who concedes a tie by any means regardless of the COC.

I do understand your view that it's a slightly peculiar twist but but's simply reflecting the reality of the rules, and explaining the difference between a concession and a match.

 

[rosecott]

I think I may have posted on another thread is that there is another pragmatic solution where a date cannot be found and the knockout rules allow the players to produce a winner by any means. The two players can compete in,say, a stableford competition (ideally playing in the same group) playing to strokeplay rules at all times. Afterwards they can compare hole-by-hole scores to decide a winner. This is clearly far from ideal as you lose the matchplay tactical element but must be better than tossing a coin.

 

[duncan mackie]

The two players can compete in,say, a stableford competition (ideally playing in the same group) playing to strokeplay rules at all times. Afterwards they can compare hole-by-hole scores to decide a winner.

again - you can decide who's going to concede the match, you can't decide 'a winner' (of the match) on this basis.

 

[Foxholer]

from your post you don't seem to be reading it correctly - you can decide who concedes a tie by any means regardless of the COC.

Agreed! I didn't scroll down far enough - the last paragraph is significant and also removes (at least most of) my issue about it being 'peculiar'.