On Friday, I took the Aimpoint Express course......

[MendieGK]

That's the thing. They're both brilliant golfers and there was much banter and ribbing in the bar afterwards from a lot of people in there - very few who were advocates or are likely to be. Perhaps my comments were too harsh and I was still in banter mode myself. But after the kerfuffle has died down then I really don't believe this technique will be adopted by the masses on tour any more than plumb-bobbing has been over the years.I believe it was £99 at our place.

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Seriously still playing this same tune? I played in the same competition as a Walker Cup player on sunday, walked onto putting green and guess what, he was using aimpoint express.

Its only a year old, and it does work no two ways about it. The fact they are brilliant golfers for me sums it up, they are keen to continue their improvement rather than stagnate.

 

[JohnnyDee]

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Seriously still playing this same tune? I played in the same competition as a Walker Cup player on sunday, walked onto putting green and guess what, he was using aimpoint express.

Its only a year old, and it does work no two ways about it. The fact they are brilliant golfers for me sums it up, they are keen to continue their improvement rather than stagnate.

You may well be right...and I suppose only time will tell if they, and the others who took it, are still doing it in a year's time.

"It's just where I comes from we don't like any new-fangled tricksy magic I tells 'ee!" utt:

 

[chillicon]

Is anyone willing to explain how to do it and post these charts?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Is anyone willing to explain how to do it and post these charts?

While they are at it, if they can post the latest movies on here as well.....

Why should anyone post these charts for free, given they are likely copyrighted? Also, i imagine without doing the proper course, the charts aren't much good?

Bit cheeky expecting people who paid out £99 to teach you the ins and outs for free!

 

[SGC001]

Is anyone willing to explain how to do it and post these charts?

one way of getting the charts would be to download the app. I think thats around £15.

 

[chillicon]

While they are at it, if they can post the latest movies on here as well.....

Why should anyone post these charts for free, given they are likely copyrighted? Also, i imagine without doing the proper course, the charts aren't much good?

Bit cheeky expecting people who paid out £99 to teach you the ins and outs for free!

Not really. I assume that someone who signed up for a course of lessons with a pro to help solve a chronic hook etc wouldn't have a problem telling me what they had been taught.

 

[3565]

You may well be right...and I suppose only time will tell if they, and the others who took it, are still doing it in a year's time.

"It's just where I comes from we don't like any new-fangled tricksy magic I tells 'ee!" utt:

ive been doin Aimpoint for past 3 yrs, chart reads and Express reads, and I still use it as it works without question. funny how some top pros are adapting to Aimpoint which is their lively hood yet your more informed cos your judging on the 2 who have just learned it. Like most things in golf it takes time to learn the concept and incorporate it. You had a great day with your putting on your home course, and showed them its a load of hocus pocus, it would be interesting if you played with the same guys on a course that the green speed is 2 foot quicker then your used to and see if you putt them off the course then? But, like most on here your against any new fang dangled tricky magic potion and that I accept as its your view but when the Rules officials are making videos on the new concept of reading greens, then I think it's going to be around for quite some time.

As for posting charts and explaining, no offence you'd not understand and even if I put a detailed description of how it works you won't get it. Besides Express has taken over from mid point as it's easier and quicker to use.

 

[chillicon]

As for posting charts and explaining, no offence you'd not understand and even if I put a detailed description of how it works you won't get it. Besides Express has taken over from mid point as it's easier and quicker to use.

I will be happy to prove you wrong.

 

[CMAC]

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Seriously still playing this same tune? I played in the same competition as a Walker Cup player on sunday, walked onto putting green and guess what, he was using aimpoint express.

Its only a year old, and it does work no two ways about it. The fact they are brilliant golfers for me sums it up, they are keen to continue their improvement rather than stagnate.

I have played with six, yes 6 Walker cup players, numerous plus handicaps, umpteen pro's including one elite Scottish Amateur who played in the Open, and guess what, none of them used it!

So what's your point caller?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As with every single different method in golf - it will work for some but won't work for others - there is imo no full proof method that covers everyone

People have been reading greens for decades now using various methods and it will be up to the players to decide what they use

Some pros have used Aimpoint - some still do and some don't - the majority still use whatever method they grew up learning whilst starting the game out and most don't seem to have an issue

Aimpoint Prob gives some more confidence when reading a green - won't make them a better putter as such but could help them pick better lines. Aimpoint as with other methods may make things worse for some - two guys I play with regualry did the course last year - one has stopped and the other still uses it and always seems to pick a different line that others pick - fair to see it hasn't changed his putting - still always hits it too hard.

The issue most appear to have is cost - pretty much every method used in golf can be seen on the Internet for someone to try and see how they get on but it costs £100 which is more than what it would cost for a putting and green reading lesson from a pro and you also couldn't give it a try before buying so people could buy something that is no use to them at all. The next issue is speed of play - does it slow up play ? From the small amounts I have seen people use it - yes it does add a small amount of time to each putt - the same amount as someone reading a putt from all four directions and walking the line

So as with all other methods - Aimpoint will no doubt work for some - whether that's a placebo effect or confidence etc it will work for some - but for others it won't work.

It is currently very much used by a very small amount of people and have heard lots of negative talk about it from pros I play with in pro Am's including tour coaches. Will it explode on tour ? Just like stack and tilt i don't think it will nor do I think it will take over the Amatuer world - but the one thing that is certain - it creates a good talking point

 

[MendieGK]

I have played with six, yes 6 Walker cup players, numerous plus handicaps, umpteen pro's including one elite Scottish Amateur who played in the Open, and guess what, none of them used it!

So what's your point caller?

I'm just saying that more and more people are using it, Jimmy Walker made the cut in the open a couple of years ago, so i am guessing he was pretty good then too, so to be using aimpoint express now suggests that he feels it will improve his game.

 

[MendieGK]

As with every single different method in golf - it will work for some but won't work for others - there is imo no full proof method that covers everyone

People have been reading greens for decades now using various methods and it will be up to the players to decide what they use

Some pros have used Aimpoint - some still do and some don't - the majority still use whatever method they grew up learning whilst starting the game out and most don't seem to have an issue

Aimpoint Prob gives some more confidence when reading a green - won't make them a better putter as such but could help them pick better lines. Aimpoint as with other methods may make things worse for some - two guys I play with regualry did the course last year - one has stopped and the other still uses it and always seems to pick a different line that others pick - fair to see it hasn't changed his putting - still always hits it too hard.

The issue most appear to have is cost - pretty much every method used in golf can be seen on the Internet for someone to try and see how they get on but it costs £100 which is more than what it would cost for a putting and green reading lesson from a pro and you also couldn't give it a try before buying so people could buy something that is no use to them at all. The next issue is speed of play - does it slow up play ? From the small amounts I have seen people use it - yes it does add a small amount of time to each putt - the same amount as someone reading a putt from all four directions and walking the line

So as with all other methods - Aimpoint will no doubt work for some - whether that's a placebo effect or confidence etc it will work for some - but for others it won't work.

It is currently very much used by a very small amount of people and have heard lots of negative talk about it from pros I play with in pro Am's including tour coaches. Will it explode on tour ? Just like stack and tilt i don't think it will nor do I think it will take over the Amatuer world - but the one thing that is certain - it creates a good talking point

If it doesn't speed up the time take to read a putt then they clearly weren't spending enough time reading break before they learnt to use aimpoint. It is significantly faster.

You are 100% right that it wont make you a better putter, and i would think the majority of people would benefit from a putting lesson rather than doing the course, however, if it gives you a confident read then that's one element corrected.

It just really P!sses me off on here that people mock something that is different, every single one of us on here could be a better putter. thats a matter of fact.

It wouldn't annoy me as much if every negative comment came from people who were in a qualified position.
Having tried it or at least researched it.

with regards to stack & tilt, did anyone ever get to world no1 using it? or actually win anything? nope. so i feel its different.

 

[CMAC]

I'm just saying that more and more people are using it, Jimmy Walker made the cut in the open a couple of years ago, so i am guessing he was pretty good then too, so to be using aimpoint express now suggests that he feels it will improve his game.

thats good enough for me- if I ever get the chance to trial it, I will:thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Some people can read greens pretty quickly - some just take one quick look and then putt - is Aimpoint quicker than that ?

Will be interesting to see what happens with Poulter because for years his green reading was superb and know he was trying Aimpoint earlier in the season

You are spot on that everyone can putt better - imo from what I seen that's more to do with the actual stroke as opposed to the read of a green - when I see people miss putts and include myself in that it very rarely seems to be down to a poor read - more about the wrong pace

I have read up on it and spoken to a number of people including tour coaches and PGA master coaches and none advocated it - seen it in action and not seen anything that makes me what to spend £100 to try it - I guess if it was a method people could try without cost then maybe more will

As for stack and tilt - I know Foley is the main guy for that and he has coached major winners including Rose but no idea if he uses it and did when winning the US Open

 

[CMAC]

Some people can read greens pretty quickly - some just take one quick look and then putt - is Aimpoint quicker than that ?

Will be interesting to see what happens with Poulter because for years his green reading was superb and know he was trying Aimpoint earlier in the season

You are spot on that everyone can putt better - imo from what I seen that's more to do with the actual stroke as opposed to the read of a green - when I see people miss putts and include myself in that it very rarely seems to be down to a poor read - more about the wrong pace

I have read up on it and spoken to a number of people including tour coaches and PGA master coaches and none advocated it - seen it in action and not seen anything that makes me what to spend £100 to try it - I guess if it was a method people could try without cost then maybe more will

As for stack and tilt - I know Foley is the main guy for that and he has coached major winners including Rose but no idea if he uses it and did when winning the US Open

you would have known Phil, as he wouldn't have won

 

[MendieGK]

Some people can read greens pretty quickly - some just take one quick look and then putt - is Aimpoint quicker than that ?

Will be interesting to see what happens with Poulter because for years his green reading was superb and know he was trying Aimpoint earlier in the season

You are spot on that everyone can putt better - imo from what I seen that's more to do with the actual stroke as opposed to the read of a green - when I see people miss putts and include myself in that it very rarely seems to be down to a poor read - more about the wrong pace

I have read up on it and spoken to a number of people including tour coaches and PGA master coaches and none advocated it - seen it in action and not seen anything that makes me what to spend £100 to try it - I guess if it was a method people could try without cost then maybe more will

As for stack and tilt - I know Foley is the main guy for that and he has coached major winners including Rose but no idea if he uses it and did when winning the US Open

No Rose doesn't stack & Tilt.

I would also say that your opinion is clearly more informed than a number of other people.

I agree around the improvement of the stroke and i work on that too, but there is no doubt my reads are a lot better in the past 2 rounds of using it that previously. but its horses for courses.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No Rose doesn't stack & Tilt.

I would also say that your opinion is clearly more informed than a number of other people.

I agree around the improvement of the stroke and i work on that too, but there is no doubt my reads are a lot better in the past 2 rounds of using it that previously. but its horses for courses.

If it works for you and helps you sink more putts then it's worth using the method and continuing to do so - as with anything it will be interesting to see what you do when for a period they don't drop as we all get those spells whether you go to a conventional method or if Aimpoint is now your method of reading greens

We as golfers are always searching for something that will either help the ball go further or drop in the hole in the less shots

Aimpoint at the moment has a bit of stigma attached to it - Prob unfairly and more down to how it makes people look and the cost but I think it will ultimately end up more popular within the club golfer than the pro circuit

 

[CMAC]

I'm waiting on the Stack 'n' Express system to come out- can't fail.

 

[3565]

There are some valid points posted which I can agree with but then there is tosh.

Some like to improve their game which means going to a qualified Pro paying good money to get lessons. If after your lesson you don't agree with his methodology you don't go back and find someone else, but you NEVER ask a Pro for a freebie lesson to see if its suitable for you? That's just plain crazy. So why when someone comes up with a system should they give it away for free? Some Pros post on you tube not just to give hints and tips but they are actually looking for business, if you like what you hear and see then get in contact with me for further lessons...... For Chillicon, why not go and ask a Pro for a 2hr lesson (length of time to do Aimpoint) for nothing and see what reaction you'll get? And what works for another to stop the hooks may not work for you as we all swing differently.

As for Aimpoint being quicker then a quick glimpse then hit it type player, then of course not, no system will be as quick as that but It is quicker then the usual look from 3 sides or 2 sides routine from players who want to shoot the lowest score possible as apposed to how fast they play.

As for the placebo effect who knows, but from personal experience I'm holing more longer 20-30ft putts (not everytime) then I did before Aimpoint and I'm scaring the hole more often and thats good enough for me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's a shame that some points get missed because too busy have a few cheap digs about people wanting to have a nice pace of play

You don't like people critisizing Aimpoint then don't critisize people who don't like slow play

I know and play with a lot of players including county champs and pros that score low that are able to play at a good pace without the need to prowl around a green looking from all angles

People don't have to play slowly to score low - plenty score low but keep up with pace and the group in front as you are supposed by the excepted etiquette of golf - as can be seen by players getting penalised on tour - slow play is not acceptable.