Official Society Handicaps

[Simbo]

Shows had attitudes have changed. Lothianburn and Torphin, both very old courses and of traditional Scottish thoughts, now gone forever. Hilly, natural and basic, something I love, but it appears not the modern player who now also have the modern easy walking parkland courses nearby, courses that will never send the pulse racing!

It did send my pulse racing, Edmund Hillary never hiked as much.

Anyway stop swerving the questions and give us some straight answers and facts and figures to back up your guff and stop peeing on our shoes and telling us it's raining.

 

[rosecott]

Mods not involved as making a complete ass of yourself isn't against the rules.

Surely there needs to be a rule against boring the pants off forummers by incessant repetition and inability to answer questions.

 

[LCVreg]

Instead of listing courses that have gone, why not come out and answer the questions many have asked?

Well a little lost as I thought questions had been answered. If you want to read the facts then look thrtough GCMA magazines for the past two years, also NCG - they both have reduction in numbers playing reports - there, does that answer your questions - denial doesn't get any of you anywhere!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Well a little lost as I thought questions had been answered. If you want to read the facts then look thrtough GCMA magazines for the past two years, also NCG - they both have reduction in numbers playing reports - there, does that answer your questions - denial doesn't get any of you anywhere!

So these publications will tell us :-

1 Why your society members need CONGU recognised handicaps?
2 How society golf is going to be the game's saviour?
3 How those clubs that remain are going to be able to subsidise societies?
4 How, when it is introduced, the Slope Rating would apply to those without a Home Club?
5 Who is going to meet the costs of societies operating a formal, recognised handicap system?

Those are just five questions you have, so far, avoided answering and I haven't mentioned the Wessex Golf Tour.

 

[Hobbit]

Well a little lost as I thought questions had been answered. If you want to read the facts then look thrtough GCMA magazines for the past two years, also NCG - they both have reduction in numbers playing reports - there, does that answer your questions - denial doesn't get any of you anywhere!

From my own posts, there were a number of points and questions that went unanswered, as there have been from a number of posters. You pick the odd point out of a post, not the full posts, and often give glib answers. What answers you give are often vague, and without substance.

As to your "go and look," you are the one using these sources to support the argument. And until YOU provide the links they are unsubstantiated.

Well, I've been through the last two years GCMA - great article on the stabilisation in participation rates in golf, including and increase in those playing in the 16 - 25 age group.

Have you got any other out of date data you'd like to share with us...

 

[ger147]

Well a little lost as I thought questions had been answered. If you want to read the facts then look thrtough GCMA magazines for the past two years, also NCG - they both have reduction in numbers playing reports - there, does that answer your questions - denial doesn't get any of you anywhere!

You never told us what happened to your amateur tour? Folded due to lack of numbers by any chance?

 

[bluewolf]

Surely there needs to be a rule against boring the pants off forummers by incessant repetition and inability to answer questions.

That might get rid of a few posters to be honest.

 

[Hobbit]

That might get rid of a few posters to be honest.

"I'm Spartacus!"

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Surely there needs to be a rule against boring the pants off forummers by incessant repetition and inability to answer questions.

That might get rid of a few posters to be honest.

"I'm Spartacus!"

As long as folk continue to reply to the OP, then the thread will plod onward,
So stop answering and all will be well

Now I've gone and put it at the top of the list again.......dagnabbit

 

[LCVreg]

So these publications will tell us :-

1 Why your society members need CONGU recognised handicaps?
2 How society golf is going to be the game's saviour?
3 How those clubs that remain are going to be able to subsidise societies?
4 How, when it is introduced, the Slope Rating would apply to those without a Home Club?
5 Who is going to meet the costs of societies operating a formal, recognised handicap system?

Those are just five questions you have, so far, avoided answering and I haven't mentioned the Wessex Golf Tour.

Oh for Gods sake
1) I did not say that my society members need Congu handicaps - I said that why couldn't properly run societies have the same handicap system as clubs if all the same rules/fees/ etc were in place
2) I never said it would be the sports saviours - I said it would help!
3) That is up to them - they always used to
4) If 1) was implemented, properly run societies would be the "home Club" of those that were not eslewhere
5) The society and their members - exactly as a club would

And what would you have to say about the Wessex Amateur Golf Tour then!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

1) I did not say that my society members need Congu handicaps

Absolutely priceless! So why have you been arguing for 3 days about why they can't have them?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So that's it settled then.

Your, and every other society, can operate its own handicap system along the lines of CONGU at your own expense.

No need to change anything, no need to have a Home Club for Slope Rating as the handicap is only needed for the society's purposes and will not be applied anywhere else, such as Opens etc;

Might be a bit difficult to persuade Club members to subsidise society members green-fees but good luck in trying.

Oh! and good luck in convincing society members (many of whom, by your own admission, will already be paying Club subscriptions) to meet the costs of a full-time organiser and purchase of software.

For a self proclaimed authority and expert you do seem to be rather guilty of not thinking this through before troubling the forum with half-baked ideas.

 

[rosecott]

For a self proclaimed authority and expert you do seem to be rather guilty of not thinking this through before troubling the forum with half-baked ideas.

Come on. The forum has a proud tradition of coming up with half-baked ideas. Naming no names but we would have lost lots of threads without such ideas.

 

[LCVreg]

So that's it settled then.

Your, and every other society, can operate its own handicap system along the lines of CONGU at your own expense.

No need to change anything, no need to have a Home Club for Slope Rating as the handicap is only needed for the society's purposes and will not be applied anywhere else, such as Opens etc;

Might be a bit difficult to persuade Club members to subsidise society members green-fees but good luck in trying.

Oh! and good luck in convincing society members (many of whom, by your own admission, will already be paying Club subscriptions) to meet the costs of a full-time organiser and purchase of software.

For a self proclaimed authority and expert you do seem to be rather guilty of not thinking this through before troubling the forum with half-baked ideas.

1) Yep - if a "properly organised society" wishes to do the scheme it would be at their expense - where did anyone say "every other society"?
2) Slope - I suggest you read and understand the US system before berating what I have said - I have - have you - and I have played it in American Golf tours - have you - suggest looking at the two US Amateur tours - Golf Channel is one
3) Who is asking anyone to subsidise anything?
4) It is easy - have you played in EAGT (ex Volvo!)
5) I am no authority, but I have views which are not blinkered, or one sided or living in the past that obviously you have - Half baked only for someone who it seems by all accounts spends all his times just being contrary on whatever forum he wants to waste his time on every day.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

1) Yep - if a "properly organised society" wishes to do the scheme it would be at their expense - where did anyone say "every other society"?
2) Slope - I suggest you read and understand the US system before berating what I have said - I have - have you - and I have played it in American Golf tours - have you - suggest looking at the two US Amateur tours - Golf Channel is one
3) Who is asking anyone to subsidise anything?
4) It is easy - have you played in EAGT (ex Volvo!)
5) I am no authority, but I have views which are not blinkered, or one sided or living in the past that obviously you have - Half baked only for someone who it seems by all accounts spends all his times just being contrary on whatever forum he wants to waste his time on every day.

Poppycock, delusional and unsustainable on all levels

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Do you confirm yet that your society right now has the HC software and are paying the yearly license ?

At the start you mentioned cost being an issue because your society members couldn't afford the yearly subs

But then you went on a mentioned the courses you play on and most of them at the higher price range - ? So they can afford these high price society meets but not club membership ?

Also the EAGT does have good events and they are qualifiers ( so need an official HC ) but they are also at the higher price end of the scale

 

[pokerjoke]

Do you confirm yet that your society right now has the HC software and are paying the yearly license ?

At the start you mentioned cost being an issue because your society members couldn't afford the yearly subs

But then you went on a mentioned the courses you play on and most of them at the higher price range - ? So they can afford these high price society meets but not club membership ?

Also the EAGT does have good events and they are qualifiers ( so need an official HC ) but they are also at the higher price end of the scale

Yet another interrogation by the LP layers society.
Is this the same as you saying your priced out Liverpool games but continue to play golf courses that cost considerably more?

 

[LCVreg]

From my own posts, there were a number of points and questions that went unanswered, as there have been from a number of posters. You pick the odd point out of a post, not the full posts, and often give glib answers. What answers you give are often vague, and without substance.

As to your "go and look," you are the one using these sources to support the argument. And until YOU provide the links they are unsubstantiated.

Well, I've been through the last two years GCMA - great article on the stabilisation in participation rates in golf, including and increase in those playing in the 16 - 25 age group.

Have you got any other out of date data you'd like to share with us...

Oh blimey, here we go!
www.golfclubmanagement.net/2013/03/50-clubs-could-close-this-spring/
www.uksga.co.uk/news.php?newsitem=958
www.dailyrecord.co.uk › Sport › Golf
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11345841
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/killarney-golf-club-rapidly-losing-members-360007.html
www.forbes.com/sites/.../how-a-declining-middle-class-is-killing-golf/
www.telegraph.co.uk › Sport › Golf
www.newshub.co.nz/.../golf-clubs-face-dwindling-memberships-201301
www.golfclubmanagement.net/.../participation-slumps-again-as-more-go...
www.gcmanorthwest.co.uk/news.php?newsitem=936
https://www.sundaypost.com/news/scottish-news/golf-clubs-in-crisis-as-membership-numbers-plummet/
www.golfclubmanagement.net/2015/01/three-golf-clubs-close/

Thats just a few - i cannot be asked for this sort of stuff as you are obvious blinkered and living an a land of dreams

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yet another interrogation by the LP layers society.
Is this the same as you saying your priced out Liverpool games but continue to play golf courses that cost considerably more?

Have you even bothered to read the whole thread before posting cheap digs ?

 

[LCVreg]

Do you confirm yet that your society right now has the HC software and are paying the yearly license ?

At the start you mentioned cost being an issue because your society members couldn't afford the yearly subs

But then you went on a mentioned the courses you play on and most of them at the higher price range - ? So they can afford these high price society meets but not club membership ?

Also the EAGT does have good events and they are qualifiers ( so need an official HC ) but they are also at the higher price end of the scale

1) Yes
2) oh no I didn't - have a look!
3) There are many in the under £20 bracket - To me there is no such thing as a bad golf course - there are many that one might not wish to return to for some reason, but as long as it is alive and providing fun for some, then that is all that is required
4) blimey, an agreement!