Not knowing the very basics of rules in comps.

[D-S]

The word “need” not to be confused with required

So no one is required to provide any proof

Maybe recommend would be a better word

People don’t need to pass rule quizzes to play other amateur sports and even professionals aren’t required

Educate members on where they can get rulings from in regards apps etc

Why don't you just get them to do the test instead of hoping that every single one reads and inwardly digests emails sent out, in all good faith, by the club.

We make people have x rounds in y time frame to prove that their handicap is perhaps accurate or at least current - why is it so onerous to prove that they at least know the rules of the game?

There is a readily available educational resource with proof that people have read and understood it. It's easy and helpful - so what is the harm?

What is wrong in showing that you have at least a basic knowledge of the rules? In a lot of sports referees are required to be on the spot to enforce the rules so, in a sense, ignorance is self defeating. In some occasions in golf, ignorance shared by the group, can be to the players benefit.

Call me cynical but people who refuse to show any rules knowledge but are happy to play for my money worry me.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Why don't you just get them to do the test instead of hoping that every single one reads and inwardly digests emails sent out, in all good faith, by the club.

We make people have x rounds in y time frame to prove that their handicap is perhaps accurate or at least current - why is it so onerous to prove that they at least know the rules of the game?

There is a readily available educational resource with proof that people have read and understood it. It's easy and helpful - so what is the harm?

What is wrong in showing that you have at least a basic knowledge of the rules? In a lot of sports referees are required to be on the spot to enforce the rules so, in a sense, ignorance is self defeating. In some occasions in golf, ignorance shared by the group, can be to the players benefit.

Call me cynical but people who refuse to show any rules knowledge but are happy to play for my money worry me.

Do players that enter - opens , Eg events , open qualifiers , pro ams - have to show that they have passed a rules quiz before they are allowed to enter

Do people also have to take a quiz on the WHS rules ?

How about a quiz on etiquette as well ? Or Dress code

We aren’t in school anymore - we join a golf club , pay our money to play the course

The sport is based on self governing and trust

These days it seems that the governing bodies and those that like the rules don’t appear to trust club golfers anymore

 

[cliveb]

You can now drop out of a bunker with the appropriate penalty.

Yes, but these guys were dropping out and playing on without taking any penalty.

 

[Skytot]

The problem was not my lack of knowledge but is and his total unwillingness to be shown what it said in the rule book

I know the rules in this situation as well as the vast majority of situations.
I have been the 'come to person' when players want rules advice as I was the person on the committee responsible. Last person I would seek advice from is a pro in my experience.

Most of the time I know where to look and sometimes for stuff I am unsure of I have found the actual experts on this forum a good place to ask.

So why did you let him upset you if you knew the rules ? It’s you against him and if you’re confident you are correct carry on and sort it out after your round .

 

[HomerJSimpson]

No idea.

You need a jockey licence to ride race horses competitively

 

[D-S]

Do players that enter - opens , Eg events , open qualifiers , pro ams - have to show that they have passed a rules quiz before they are allowed to enter

Do people also have to take a quiz on the WHS rules ?

How about a quiz on etiquette as well ? Or Dress code

We aren’t in school anymore - we join a golf club , pay our money to play the course

The sport is based on self governing and trust

These days it seems that the governing bodies and those that like the rules don’t appear to trust club golfers anymore

But you said "I agree that people need to look at the quiz’s" - there is a simple, available tool to show that they actually have. How else do you know that they have done what you have said is 'needed'?

Why are you so against people knowing (and showing that they know) the rules of the sport they are playing for other people's money in?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I guess the question, other than to argue the toss, is why AW seems so vehmently against new golfers joining a club for the first time, in particular, having some form of rules and playing test. Others have all pointed out a degree of validity for the idea. Surely if players are competent on the course and aware of the basic etiquette especially calling players through can only help pace of play, and it would make it a more enjoyable experience for PP's in a comp without having to explain and penalise a player for rule infringements

 

[Arthur Wedge]

But you said "I agree that people need to look at the quiz’s" - there is a simple, available tool to show that they actually have. How else do you know that they have done what you have said is 'needed'?

Why are you so against people knowing (and showing that they know) the rules of the sport they are playing for other people's money in?

Im not against people knowing the rules of the sport

Im more for trusting people as opposed to dictating that they are required to take a quiz before playing a comp

Give a player the tools and then trust them - we trust all the club golfers to act with integrity why would you need proof that they have taken a quiz or read the rule book

Do you not trust your fellow golfers

 

[Imurg]

The sport is based on self governing and trust

This is the difference between Golf and the majority of other sports.
It's largely self governing ..most other sports have a referee or umpire that governs play.
Golf doesn't, on the whole.
So how can you self-govern if you don't have a grasp of the basic rules?
Few know them all but taking the Level 1 test shouldn't be seen as a hardship when you're going out to play in a competition and you don't know what to do when your ball goes beyond those funny white posts.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

This is the difference between Golf and the majority of other sports.
It's largely self governing ..most other sports have a referee or umpire that governs play.
Golf doesn't, on the whole.
So how can you self-govern if you don't have a grasp of the basic rules?
Few know them all but taking the Level 1 test shouldn't be seen as a hardship when you're going out to play in a competition and you don't know what to do when your ball goes beyond those funny white posts.

That’s showing that we don’t trust the players then if we want to enforce that every playing in a competition must take a test

Why can’t we allow players the trust for them to learn the rules in their own way

Anytime I have played and someone is unsure they just ask their fellow playing companions and then if no one knows will look it up

Give the tools to people - communicate the links and then trust people

Our juniors get given all the links.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

This is the difference between Golf and the majority of other sports.
It's largely self governing ..most other sports have a referee or umpire that governs play.
Golf doesn't, on the whole.
So how can you self-govern if you don't have a grasp of the basic rules?
Few know them all but taking the Level 1 test shouldn't be seen as a hardship when you're going out to play in a competition and you don't know what to do when your ball goes beyond those funny white posts.

We have people find the ball and chuck it back in play and carry on assuming the club had adopted the rule that came out regarding this. We hadn't and have said on many occasions we won't be

 

[Imurg]

If you want to hide something, put it in an email to Golf Club Members......
Just because there is a process in place it doesn't necessarily follow that the process is right.
You can join, put your name down to play in a comp, turn up and play without ever having been on a course or without knowing any rules even though you've been given links to them.
There are people who have played for 40 years and don't know to find the NPR or what to do if your ball lands on grass cuttings - I had that last year...
A guy's ball went in the trees where the green keepers had chucked the cut grass.
Claimed he got relief from them
But they weren't piled up for later removal....this was a guy who's been a member for years.
It's basic stuff and if we hadn't been looking for his ball he would have been on his own and would have taken relief...

It'll never happen so no point in debating it.
It should ....

 

[jim8flog]

So why did you let him upset you if you knew the rules ? It’s you against him and if you’re confident you are correct carry on and sort it out after your round .

He is not the sort of guy to just let it it be, he carried on and on and I am not the sort of guy to let it be either. It carried on to the next tee where he tried to get the third player involved. He was well known within the club for causing arguments and has now left the club as a result.

I just carried on with where and how I dropped the ball with full confidence.

 

[Skytot]

He is not the sort of guy to just let it it be, he carried on and on and I am not the sort of guy to let it be either. It carried on to the next tee where he tried to get the third player involved. He was well known within the club for causing arguments and has now left the club as a result.

I just carried on with where and how I dropped the ball with full confidence.

At least something positive came out of it with him leaving the club . Members owe you a beer

 

[HomerJSimpson]

He is not the sort of guy to just let it it be, he carried on and on and I am not the sort of guy to let it be either. It carried on to the next tee where he tried to get the third player involved. He was well known within the club for causing arguments and has now left the club as a result.

I just carried on with where and how I dropped the ball with full confidence.

Ultimate answer is to play two balls one, as you perceive the rule to be and one where your idiot partner thinks. Record both scores and let the secretary or competition secretary sort it and when you are proved right make sure he and everyone knew about it

 

[jim8flog]

At least something positive came out of it with him leaving the club . Members owe you a beer

Should have mentioned he was known in club matches for upsetting the away players and we had several clubs say he was not welcome at their club and not to include him in our team.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

With all these rules infractions that people see on the course - how many pull people up on them and apply the correct penalty - that’s one way of educating people

 

[rulie]

He is not the sort of guy to just let it it be, he carried on and on and I am not the sort of guy to let it be either. It carried on to the next tee where he tried to get the third player involved. He was well known within the club for causing arguments and has now left the club as a result.

I just carried on with where and how I dropped the ball with full confidence.

The last sentence is the best way to proceed. If he doesn’t like what you did, he can report it to the Committee.

 

[jim8flog]

Ultimate answer is to play two balls one, as you perceive the rule to be and one where your idiot partner thinks. Record both scores and let the secretary or competition secretary sort it and when you are proved right make sure he and everyone knew about it

No need for me to play 2 balls as I was 100% confident in my knowledge of the rules in this instance.

As has been said on many a time on this forum the other player is not a referee and he was not even my marker.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

With all these rules infractions that people see on the course - how many pull people up on them and apply the correct penalty - that’s one way of educating people

Yes as posted on here already, It's harsh but it is one way to ensure a player learns from the mistake. It isn't nice but in my mind I do feel a player has a responsibility for at least having a reasonable general understanding of the rules. If someone is prepared to ask before proceeding it is possible to have a conversation and explain the options before they go ahead and do what they believe is (and sometimes isn't) right.