Non-qualifying, again

[jimbob.someroo]

Hi all,

Just wanted to gauge opinion on non-qualifying comps. We've just go an email saying yet another of our weekend comps tomorrow is going to be non qualifying; personally, I think they're pointless. If the condition is so bad that it is going to affect scoring, then surely CSS will go up to balance it out.

Not to mention the fact that it's winter rules so the scoring would probably balance out from the times you get a bad lie in the rough compared to being able to tee it up in the fairway (yes, we do have qualifying comps with winter rules usually).

All this added to the fact that if you're concerned about your handicap going up, you can simply not enter. Surely if you want to enter the comp to win it, then you're trying to shoot low, and you want the comp to be qualifying. Our stablefords are £5 to enter and the winner usually only gets about £30/£40 at this time of year anyway. Personally, I'd rather have a £5 dink between 8 of us and play for £40 than play for the same amount against the rest of the field.

It REALLY frustrates me as we get so few comps to play and count for handicap that our season essentially ends in August. Not to mention the fact that I had 39 points and 67 nett the last two times we had 'non-qualifying'.

Thoughts?

 

[JustOne]

Awkward. When you get out there and you can see your score is going to be thru the roof and you're going up by 0.1 and you start wishing you didn't bother... then what?

The course should be at least reasonably playable IMO, so should the weather.

 

[woody69]

Could you state before the comp that you want it to count as a supplementary and submit it anyway?

 

[doublebogey7]

Hi all,

Not to mention the fact that it's winter rules so the scoring would probably balance out from the times you get a bad lie in the rough compared to being able to tee it up in the fairway (yes, we do have qualifying comps with winter rules usually).

If you are saying conditions are so bad that you are allowed to tee it up on the fairway, then you would not be playing within the rules and therefore the competition cannot be a qualifier.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

Awkward. When you get out there and you can see your score is going to be thru the roof and you're going up by 0.1 and you start wishing you didn't bother... then what?

The course should be at least reasonably playable IMO, so should the weather.

Fair, but I'd always start with the intention of playing to/under my handicap and if I'd agreed to play in a comp and then played badly enough that my handicap would go up, I'd have deserved it and would have no complaints. If I was worried about it going up and trying to protect it, then I wouldn't enter - although i've never not entered a comp.

Could you state before the comp that you want it to count as a supplementary and submit it anyway?

Potentially, although not sure how it would go down with the pro.

If you are saying conditions are so bad that you are allowed to tee it up on the fairway, then you would not be playing within the rules and therefore the competition cannot be a qualifier.

We have qualifying competitions when there are winter rules in place. To clarify, by 'tee up' I mean to lift, clean and replace - not physically play off a tee. I dont think we are alone in playing qualifiers with winter rules in place. If it enabled people to shoot really low, then CSS would come down to compensate.

 

[chellie]

Do they use winter non qualifiers as part of their annaul handicap review. Sorry if that's a silly question but HID and myself are new to this but have been told they will do annual reviews as well at ours.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

I'm not sure. I might be doing the club a disservice, but I'm not sure our end of year review is that thorough.

A friend that only really started playing last year and had dropped from 20+ to about 16 before he ran out of comps, despite playing to around 12/13 constantly, winning loads of comps wasn't touched in the review.

There were only about 6 or 7 handicaps in the club adjusted at all and these were mainly upwards due to injury.

I would like to think that if someone were to shoot 40+ points it might at least be mentioned.

 

[Twire]

I know CONGU encourage qualifiers all year round, but I suppose it depends what the course condition is like. It has to be played off a measured course to be a qualifier, but you can play winter rules. We try to play all year round and on this Wednesdays roll up stableford we had one temp green and and temp tee and it was still qualifying.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Why is it NQ?

If there is no valid reason, i.e. the course is no more than 100yds shorter than measured etc etc then your club is encoraged by CONGU to play qualifiers whenever possible. Making it a NQ because the weather might be a bit rainy is not a valid excuse in my book especially if they then play it on the full course.

I'd be complaining

 

[rosecott]

Could you state before the comp that you want it to count as a supplementary and submit it anyway?

No. You cannot submit a score as a Supplementary while playing in a non-qualifier.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Why is it NQ?

If there is no valid reason, i.e. the course is no more than 100yds shorter than measured etc etc then your club is encoraged by CONGU to play qualifiers whenever possible. Making it a NQ because the weather might be a bit rainy is not a valid excuse in my book especially if they then play it on the full course.

I'd be complaining

I would be complaining also. What's the incentive of wanting to get your handicap down if they pick and choose the comps that will be qualifiers. Unless there is a good reason its not a qualifier then I would be pretty peeved.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

Why is it NQ?

If there is no valid reason, i.e. the course is no more than 100yds shorter than measured etc etc then your club is encoraged by CONGU to play qualifiers whenever possible. Making it a NQ because the weather might be a bit rainy is not a valid excuse in my book especially if they then play it on the full course.

I'd be complaining

Because the weather's going to be bad apparently and they've been doing some drainage work on a couple of areas which can get a bit boggy. Personally, would have thought that these would either be GUR, or with it being Winter rules, unaffected anyway.

Agree entirely, if the weather's going to be that bad that greens could flood etc, there shouldn't be a comp. If the course is playing that difficult that it's neigh-on impossible to score, CSS will go up to a level that the comp would be reductions only anyway.

 

[doublebogey7]

We have qualifying competitions when there are winter rules in place. To clarify, by 'tee up' I mean to lift, clean and replace - not physically play off a tee. I dont think we are alone in playing qualifiers with winter rules in place. If it enabled people to shoot really low, then CSS would come down to compensate.

Have though hard of course where they do literally allow you to tee it up on the fairway. As others have rules permit qualifiers whilst winter rules in play.

 

[pokerjoke]

Why is it NQ?

If there is no valid reason, i.e. the course is no more than 100yds shorter than measured etc etc then your club is encoraged by CONGU to play qualifiers whenever possible. Making it a NQ because the weather might be a bit rainy is not a valid excuse in my book especially if they then play it on the full course.

I'd be complaining

Congo may encourage qualifiers,but to me that means nothing.
Some courses stop qualifiers for a few months.
Our course plays qualifiers all year.
Wheres the consistency.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Because the weather's going to be bad apparently and they've been doing some drainage work on a couple of areas which can get a bit boggy. Personally, would have thought that these would either be GUR, or with it being Winter rules, unaffected anyway.

Agree entirely, if the weather's going to be that bad that greens could flood etc, there shouldn't be a comp. If the course is playing that difficult that it's neigh-on impossible to score, CSS will go up to a level that the comp would be reductions only anyway.

Indeed, if it's supposed to be a qualifier it should be a qualifier and let nature take it's course. The weather alone isn't a valid reason to make it an NQ. It's a poor show by the club if you ask me.

 

[mefromhere]

If 3 or more greens are on temps then that makes it NQ so maybe they're going to move some greens to protect them for the spring/summer? I'm sure there would be massive complaints with 50+ walking over a green turning it into a mud patch and it not being ready for the summer season.

 

[Evesdad]

We've got no more qualifiers until the new season in April. That said if storm the NQS you will get cut at the review as happened to one of my four ball!

 

[chellie]

Just looked at the mens annual review on our website. There were some increases/decreases mainly by 1 or 2 plus some ESR's of the same and one ESR of 6.5. There were quite a few adjusted. Don't think there's any winter qualifiers at FIL's course either but again I know he mentioned an annual review at his as well.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Just looked at the mens annual review on our website. There were some increases/decreases mainly by 1 or 2 plus some ESR's of the same and one ESR of 6.5. There were quite a few adjusted. Don't think there's any winter qualifiers at FIL's course either but again I know he mentioned an annual review at his as well.

Where does an ESR of 6.5 come from when the maximum is 3? Also, why are ESRs being left to the annual review?

 

[chellie]

Where does an ESR of 6.5 come from when the maximum is 3? Also, why are ESRs being left to the annual review?

Ah, just looked at bottom of notice "change includes decrease under ESR". Would assume they are additional ESR's. I'm sure there have been some ESR's this season though so could there be more again at this years annual review. As I say though this is all new to us.