No Scots in the top 20 of The Open?

[Jdb2005]

Say no to indepandance !!!

 

[Iaing]

Say no to indepandance !!!

Is this some kind of pagan ritual?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Say no to indepandance !!!

Feel fortunate that you have the opportunity to cast your vote.

I'm guesssing 25% of the electorate won't vote. Assuming the electorate is about 4million that means 1million won't bother voting. And as they can't be bothered, and therefore can be assumed not to care, I'm more than happy as someone who is bothered to have one of those 1m votes.

 

[Jdb2005]

Is this some kind of pagan ritual?

Not getting it? I just thought I'd chip in there with the way ill be voting. The day Scotland becomes independent ill be moving to Carlisle and playing golf at silloth

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not getting it? I just thought I'd chip in there with the way ill be voting. The day Scotland becomes independent ill be moving to Carlisle and playing golf at silloth

showing how much you care about your country there then!

 

[Iaing]

Not getting it? I just thought I'd chip in there with the way ill be voting. The day Scotland becomes independent ill be moving to Carlisle and playing golf at silloth

It was more of a cheap ( but too tempting ) shot at the way you'd spelled independence.

 

[Jdb2005]

showing how much you care about your country there then!

It was a touch if sarcasm, yes I am very fortunate to have a vote, and my vote will be NO. But believe you me I care about my country with the utmost passion.

 

[stevie_r]

The only thing I get worked up about is being told that my view on the future of my country is irrelevant, and when I try and present an argument for a vote I never hear any arguments other than I don't live there at the moment - as if that's the only thing that matters when considering the future of a country.

Why are folk so against me - as Scots borne and having lived in Scotland for 25yrs - having a vote. What are they so afraid of? That non-doms view Scotland through tartan tinted glasses and would all vote Yes? - or that as we see Scotland from the outside and being once detached from the immediate issues of Scotland today we can take a longer, broader and more impartial view of what might be right or wrong, good or bad for Scotland. Do such non-doms vote Yes or No - who knows. But saying I can't vote because today I don't live there is for me a non-argument - it is simply a statement of geographical fact.

And though I am bothered about the outcome I am more bothered by that fact that I am being ignored and disenfranchised. If you want to build a country in or out of the UK - Scotland will need the support of as many of us non-doms as it can get. Telling us to go away and calling us names is not a good start.

The argument is a very simple one. This is a decision that will be of vital importance for the people that live there. A majority of voters living in Scotland will vote for a particular decision, it could happen that those that left their country (presumably for what they perceived to be a better life, or in other words money) could so skew the vote as to leave those living in Scotland with a totally different decision to what they actually desired.

You haven't lived there nor contributed to the country for 30 years; if you feel so strongly about it move back.

Kindly explain how Scotland has need of the massive support of the non-doms.

 

[Jdb2005]

It was more of a cheap ( but too tempting ) shot at the way you'd spelled independence.

Just noticed , haha

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The argument is a very simple one. This is a decision that will be of vital importance for the people that live there

Yes indeed it will. And you imply that it won't be of vital importance to those who don't - I disagree.

A majority of voters living in Scotland will vote for a particular decision

A percentage of voters living in Scotland will - the rest won't vote so can be assumed not to care. And so the No camp will accept a 50.5 to 49.5 Yes vote on a 75% turnout then?

it could happen that those that left their country (presumably for what they perceived to be a better life, or in other words money) could so skew the vote as to leave those living in Scotland with a totally different decision to what they actually desired.

Oh dear this hardly merits a response as it is so ridiculous and insulting to those of us who care for Scotland but had to leave as there was no work.

Anyway what about the 1% of non-Scots borne voters who vote Yes or No and that 1% decides the outcome - and then go home, as they have made all the money they need out of Scotland to enable them to start a better life in their own country. That's OK then. It's OK for that electorate to skew the result?

Maybe if it is very close either way you'd want and benefit from having the views of us non-doms taken into account - even if weighted fairly low compared with domiciles.

You haven't lived there nor contributed to the country for 30 years

Not only do you not know this for a fact, you clearly do not appreciate that it is quite possibe contributing to a country without living in it.

if you feel so strongly about it move back

Always one of the final challenges, as if it is something that I could do at the drop of a hat. And doesn't answer my request for a vote as a non-dom.

Kindly explain how Scotland has need of the massive support of the non-doms.

I don't think I used 'massive' but I think that if the vote is YES Scotland will need all the support it can get from us non-doms - either coming home to help build a new country ort do what we can to influence from afar. Do you not think that non-doms today do a lot for Scotland both directly and indirectly.

Whichever way - with a referendum vote on the long term (forever) future of the country I suggest that Scotland needs the buy-in from as many stakeholders as possible. Alienate one set of stakeholders (the non-doms) in a decision is not what good decisions are made of. You are not voting on whether or not you should 'cut down the trees on the 4th'. What might seem a good idea to the members at the time may turn out to be a big mistake - but at least you can replace the trees and return the 4th to it's previous state. The same cannot be said about the decision that has to be made about Scotlands future.

Anyway - seems like the only argument against me getting a say is that as I don't live in Scotland I won't be affected. Oh dear. How very blinkered. And I repeat. What is anyone afraid of. If wee eck thought we'd all vote Yes then I'd be getting given a say. If he thought we'd all say No then we wouldn't. But although the latter situation holds the opposition to my getting a say seems to come from the No camp.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

How about everyone in the Nation gets a vote. The partial break up of the Union is something that would affect all of us.

The answer to stretching my non-dom request for a say, to all of the UK, is simply that there could only be one outcome - NO. Because even if England, Wales and NI voted massively YES for Scotland to have independence (easily swamping the Scotland vote) the rest of the UK cannot throw Scotland out of the Union unless Scotland agrees. In which case having a UK-wide say is pointless.