New Turnberry Improvement Plans

[GreiginFife]

Then stop using such a racist term

Surely, you wouldn’t want to stoop to their level (the people you’re describing as racist)??

Racist against whom?

 

[bobmac]

It'll soon be christmas

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Then stop using such a racist term

Surely, you wouldn’t want to stoop to their level (the people you’re describing as racist)??

Didn't he say "crackers" as in nuts, bonkers or the like. He didn't say "cracker"
The word crackers has been used for years as a way to describe something as nuts, bonkers, silly or the like without using profanity.

 

[GreiginFife]

Didn't he say "crackers" as in nuts, bonkers or the like. He didn't say "cracker"
The word crackers has been used for years as a way to describe something as nuts, bonkers, silly or the like without using profanity.

No, the term is indeed an insult. It was used against slave owners in southern US states (crackers of the whip) and as such people that believe that black people (or any one not white these days) are sub-human and deserving only of servitude. Although it was never initially described as a racial slur until relatively recently, more a description/insult.

So if I use it do denigrate people that hold such views, such as those not allowing admittance to a club of people whose only "crime" is to be black, then I'm comfortable with it.

I used it "abundantly" as the prior gentleman put it, to make a point in a slightly ironic way. Some people don't quite know how to detect such subtleties though.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

No, the term is indeed an insult. It was used against slave owners in southern US states (crackers of the whip) and as such people that believe that black people (or any one not white these days) are sub-human and deserving only of servitude. Although it was never initially described as a racial slur until relatively recently, more a description/insult.

So if I use it do denigrate people that hold such views, such as those not allowing admittance to a club of people whose only "crime" is to be black, then I'm comfortable with it.

I used it "abundantly" as the prior gentleman put it, to make a point in a slightly ironic way. Some people don't quite know how to detect such subtleties though.

I know its used as a rascist term, but I assumed you were using it in the way I have always known it to be used, as a British citizen since 1966.
My apologies to both of you.
Fill your boots

 

[Tashyboy]

No, the term is indeed an insult. It was used against slave owners in southern US states (crackers of the whip) and as such people that believe that black people (or any one not white these days) are sub-human and deserving only of servitude. Although it was never initially described as a racial slur until relatively recently, more a description/insult.

So if I use it do denigrate people that hold such views, such as those not allowing admittance to a club of people whose only "crime" is to be black, then I'm comfortable with it.

I used it "abundantly" as the prior gentleman put it, to make a point in a slightly ironic way. Some people don't quite know how to detect such subtleties though.

Because some folk are crackers

Joking aside, the storm in a teacup over “ crackers” is typical of how arguments can start simply over the use of a word. A gay mixed race pal of mine. Was of the “ ilk” that its not what is said but how it is said. To someone's/ his face, it is usually the venom in the language he would note when being racially and sexually abused.
Picking up on yours posts Greg, I would summarise as most would. You’re not rascist. carry on sir.

 

[Tashyboy]

Because some folk are crackers

Joking aside, the storm in a teacup over “ crackers” is typical of how arguments can start simply over the use of a word. A gay mixed race pal of mine. Was of the “ ilk” that it not what is said but how it is said. To someone's/ his face, it is usually the venom in the language he would note when being racially and sexually abused.
Picking up on yours posts Greg, I would summarise as most would. You’re not rascist. carry on sir.

PS I didn’t know crackers also meant what it did over the pond. Every days a school day.

 

[GreiginFife]

Because some folk are crackers

Joking aside, the storm in a teacup over “ crackers” is typical of how arguments can start simply over the use of a word. A gay mixed race pal of mine. Was of the “ ilk” that it not what is said but how it is said. To someone's/ his face, it is usually the venom in the language he would note when being racially and sexually abused.
Picking up on yours posts Greg, I would summarise as most would. You’re not rascist. carry on sir.

To be honest Tash, I care not a jot if some absolute random on a golf forum that's never met me, knows nothing about me or my beliefs or has had any interaction with me or my wit thinks that I am a racist or not.

I leave judgement to those that know me, have met me and understand my views.

 

[Backache]

Do you believe that media outlets spin certain things in directions they wish to was the audience ? The west aren’t blameless in a hell of alot of things, in fact they would do well to step back from issues because often the involvement is followed by tragedy as the case is in the Middle East at the moment.

I'm not sure what the West not being blameless has to do with anything. I have lived quite a bit of my life in Asia and am well aware of how things are reported differently in different places but I really don't know what that has to so with anything.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Then stop using such a racist term

Surely, you wouldn’t want to stoop to their level (the people you’re describing as racist)??

When did “crackers” become a racist term

 

[Lord Tyrion]

When didn’t “crackers” become a racist term

Before this thread I've never heard of it in that way. I use it frequently, as Tashy described. Northern use, daft, bonkers etc. No racist connotation at all.

 

[cleveland52]

Can't believe this site is having a Trump debate.

The only thing that's undebatable about Trump is that he's a convicted felon.

Some are able to look past that and some can't.

 

[4LEX]

What do think will happen if PIF buy Wentworth ?

Maybe no more Pro tournaments like Turnberry.

This a great point.

Are they buying it to leverage it against the European Tour? Kick them out and take away the flagship venue? Or will the R&A pressure the European Tour to remove Wentworth as a host?

A very good move from the Saudi's as it will give them huge power over the European Tour and they'll hold all the cards when it comes to getting a deal done.

 

[KenL]

Civilised discussions about politics is not allowed on here but discussions about “racism” are.
Bonkers! I hope that word has no negative connotations, if it does, I was unaware and apologise.

 

[chico]

You are missing the point, it's not that they don't allow black members,
they have the right to allow in whoever they choose, and not be dictated
to by the WOKE mob.

You're right, they can let whoever they like join. That they chose to have no black members just stinks of racism and they rightly don't get tour events.

 

[CliveW]

Was it not the case that Muirfield had to introduce lady members before the R&A would allow The Open to be played there in 2013?

 

[KenL]

Was it not the case that Muirfield had to introduce lady members before the R&A would allow The Open to be played there in 2013?

Correct. Although it might have been after 2013.
I do wonder how many women members they have now.

Just checked, first admitted in 2019.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Slightly OT

I see Jane Godley the comic who displayed the famous 'Trump is a' ' sign when he first visited Turnberry has been honored by Glasgow Council.
Sadly she is receiving end of life care.

Spooky....Jane has passed away this morning.

 

[Golfnut1957]

Yes I actually do, he is already one of the most famous guys in the world he doesn’t need the attention. R&A shouldn’t get involved in politics, at the end of the day there are a million different opinions on how things should be run. Like much of Britain there seems to be a clamber to jump on the left wing PC socialist bandwagon even from members of traditionally ‘centre right’ parties who think that cancel culture is good. Well it’s not, it’s a really bad road to travel.

Forever people will speak about Turnberry and remember the great opens played there and the fantastic course it is, the lighthouse, the hotel, ailsa craig. It doesn’t matter the open isn’t being played there it’s still spoken about as much if not more than other venues still on the rota.

One thing is for certain, Trump knows how to invest in, improve and market a golf course/venue. All of his golf facilities are top drawer. Turnberry and Trump Aberdeen are truly above most things seen in Britain from a golf standpoint.

Have you been living under a rock? Trump is a complete narcissist and must have one of the biggest egos in the world. If the R&A were ever stupid enough to give him an Open there is absolutely no doubt that somewhere along the line it would become (if only in his world) The Trump Open.

Like the loss making Trump Aberdeen.

I happily say this with a huge bias as I can find absolutely no redeeming features about the man.

 

[BrianM]

Can we stay clear off the political line here and keep to the subject matter.

Thanks.