New rules 2019

[duncan mackie]

1. With the point about starting early being an addition to the rule.
2. The rule seems to imply that a group have got to have specific permission from the committee to start early for a specific competition.
3.As previously said in other thread replies, taken in within context of Ready Golf, if all players within a group are present and the hole they are due to play is clear, what is wrong with teeing off before the official start time.

1. It's not an addition. The rule has simply been re-written with a clearer wording to tie together the rule and subsequent decision clarifing the intention of the rule. Much of this thread highlights the benefit of doing that.
2. That's what the rules say. If you wish to have ready golf on the first tee then don't have any starting times. The committeee would meet their obligations by stating that players may tee off between time x and time y on day z.
3. Also as previous raised, there is clear evidence that having too short an interval (for the size of group's and nature of the competition) has a detrimental impact on the average time taken to play the round. As ready golf is an element designed to reduce the time taken to play a round it makes no sense at all for a group to tee off ahead of the gap that the committee have set as appropriate. (That's the answer in the context of ready golf - there are many more).

 

[Old Skier]

As ready golf is an element designed to reduce the time taken to play a round it makes no sense at all for a group to tee off ahead of the gap that the committee have set as appropriate. (That's the answer in the context of ready golf - there are many more).

A very good point.

 

[rulefan]

As ready golf is an element designed to reduce the time taken to play a round it makes no sense at all for a group to tee off ahead of the gap that the committee have set as appropriate. (That's the answer in the context of ready golf - there are many more).

It may or may not reduce the total time taken to play the round but it certainly reduces the time standing and waiting

 

[jim8flog]

1.

. As ready golf is an element designed to reduce the time taken to play a round it makes no sense at all for a group to tee off ahead of the gap that the committee have set as appropriate. (That's the answer in the context of ready golf - there are many more).

So when a group is stood at the tee and the group in front of them have already completed the hole you would still want them to wait to tee off if it's not there appointed time yet?

 

[rulie]

So when a group is stood at the tee and the group in front of them have already completed the hole you would still want them to wait to tee off if it's not there appointed time yet?

What time did the Committee say they should start? Start at that time.

 

[rulefan]

So when a group is stood at the tee and the group in front of them have already completed the hole you would still want them to wait to tee off if it's not there appointed time yet?

The potential congestion point could well be a couple of holes further along. eg Two short par 4s followed by a par 3.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So when a group is stood at the tee and the group in front of them have already completed the hole you would still want them to wait to tee off if it's not there appointed time yet?

Yes - tee off at the appointed time - not earlier , it’s very simple to understand- it doesn’t matter if the hole is clear in front

 

[jim8flog]

What time did the Committee say they should start? Start at that time.

This is the point I am making we have a general guideline at our 'if it is clear to go then go'.

The wording of the rules appears to not allow our club to make such a general guideline.

 

[jim8flog]

The potential congestion point could well be a couple of holes further along. eg Two short par 4s followed by a par 3.

As a general rule we only have two 'congestion points' at our club the second tee and common sense says do not tee off early if you can see several groups sat on the bench, and our 15 hole which.

 

[jim8flog]

One of the points I would make is that our tee of timings are for 4 balls but lots of our comps are played in 3 balls so we often have a pace of play faster than that being allowed for.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

So when a group is stood at the tee and the group in front of them have already completed the hole you would still want them to wait to tee off if it's not there appointed time yet?

It is truly silly the rules, why there isn't something sensible like within 15 minutes and the tee is free I don't know.

On one occasion we had to telephone the pro shop for the nod nod wink wink, can we tee off now, as we were 10 minutes early and no one was on the first hole.

 

[rulefan]

It is truly silly the rules, why there isn't something sensible like within 15 minutes and the tee is free I don't know.

On one occasion we had to telephone the pro shop for the nod nod wink wink, can we tee off now, as we were 10 minutes early and no one was on the first hole.

The committee are at liberty to make a Condition of Competition that if a group are missing then the next group may move forward to that time. Or words to that effect.

 

[oltimer]

It is truly silly the rules, why there isn't something sensible like within 15 minutes and the tee is free I don't know.

On one occasion we had to telephone the pro shop for the nod nod wink wink, can we tee off now, as we were 10 minutes early and no one was on the first hole.

There seem to be many coming up with what appears to be a good reason to ignore this rule, am sure the same could be done for most of the rules but they are supposed to be applied exactly as written and not open to interpretation depending on your circumstances, what would have happened if the group before you had arrived on time only to find you on the fairway in their way and you held them up all the way round ?.

 

[duncan mackie]

One of the points I would make is that our tee of timings are for 4 balls but lots of our comps are played in 3 balls so we often have a pace of play faster than that being allowed for.

Really easy solution to that...

 

[rulie]

It is truly silly the rules, why there isn't something sensible like within 15 minutes and the tee is free I don't know.

On one occasion we had to telephone the pro shop for the nod nod wink wink, can we tee off now, as we were 10 minutes early and no one was on the first hole.

Then you handled it exactly the way the Rules would anticipate, and presumably it wasn't much of a problem to do so.
Who amongst us were not required to ask the teacher's permission to leave the classroom to go the washroom?

 

[chrisd]

Who amongst us were not required to ask the teacher's permission to leave the classroom to go the washroom?

When I was 5 years old I expected to be treated like a 5 year old!

 

[rosecott]

When I was 5 years old I expected to be treated like a 5 year old!

And we still do.

 

[jim8flog]

Really easy solution to that...

And your solution is

Please remember you are setting the times for 7 days a week for every day without a major competition being played.

 

[rulefan]

On non competition days, players starting without the club's standard gap in front of them deserve what they get.
If the club hasn't set a standard, all members deserve what they get.

 

[duncan mackie]

And your solution is

Please remember you are setting the times for 7 days a week for every day without a major competition being played.

You seem to be starting from a point of defeat.

Why wouldn't you schedule the competition times differently, if deemed appropriate - our systems enable that at the touch of a button.

If it's an issue then there is a solution, if it's not a big issue then don't.