One I missed was the OB rule, apparently you can just drop a ball where your ball went OB which seems fine but why not do the same with lost balls if they are so concerned about the speed of play ?? It's the same penalty and wouldn't effect your net score for handicapping purposes, seems strange.
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rulie
Head Pro
Not sure that what you've written is correct. The version I saw still has stroke and distance for out of bounds and lost ball. I did hear rumours of dropping where your ball went out of bounds with a two stroke penalty if you hadn't played a provisional, but still stroke and distance for lost ball since you don't have a reference point for a drop.
Digger
Assistant Pro
That would cause no end of arguments/disputes as to a suitable drop point would it not? How on earth would you verify the part of the course where the ball went missing? "Somewhere here will do!!"
chrisd
Major Champion
Also, I can see much more " nicest point of relief" being used
Ye stroke penaly, that's what I meant.
Much like the OB placement then I guess.
Digger
Assistant Pro
All a bit wishy washy for me. Could be 20/50 yards either way? "Behind that tree, in front of that one. Did it clear the corner before it was OB?" "I dunno, didn't see it properly" "Ahh, just drop one there, it'll be fine"
Lost ball/OB. Back you go mate.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
You probably heard this because it was one of the considerations in the early discussion 'document'. It did not make it to the proposed new rules.
Possibly, I watched an official usga video on yt so it may have been an early one.
Digger
Assistant Pro
Thank heavens for that!
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guest100718
Guest
good, it would be abused no end if it was, altough there a lot of golfers who think this is the rule anyway....
oltimer
Assistant Pro
If you are not on the Tee ready to play it does not matter whether you are still in the car park or halfway down the 2nd fairway, either way you are not on the tee ready to play at your appointed time.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
AS rulefan, my comments were about teeing off early and not about being late on the tee. It was bought to my attention that it is contained with a decision on the rules of golf, because it does not actually say this within the rule.
oltimer
Assistant Pro
Sorry, but I cannot see the problem, R6-3a "must start at time established by the ctee"
R.6-3a/2.5 an eg " Start time 9-00am - if not present at tee and ready to start at 9-00am =dq.
R.6-3a/1.5 "reasons withdrawing of dq" Starting early is not one of these.
You are either "at the tee" at your appointed time or you are somewhere else ! which =dq.
R.6-3a/2.5 an eg " Start time 9-00am - if not present at tee and ready to start at 9-00am =dq.
R.6-3a/1.5 "reasons withdrawing of dq" Starting early is not one of these.
You are either "at the tee" at your appointed time or you are somewhere else ! which =dq.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Whilst that may be a legitimate interpretation, it is quite unnecessary as the Rules cover it explicitly.
In the case below, A & B may well still be on the tee and not somewhere else.[h=2]6-3a/5[/h][h=4]Players Start Early[/h]Q.In stroke play, A, B and C were scheduled to start at 9:00 am. All players were present at the 1st tee at 8:56 am. Without being given authority to do so by the Committee, A started at 8:58 am, B started at 8:59 am and C started at 9:00 am. What is the ruling?
A.Unless the Committee considers that the players have started early as a result of an error by the Committee or its representative, A and B are subject to a penalty of disqualification for failing to start at the scheduled time (see penalty statement under Rule 6-3a). However, in view of the fact that starting within five minutes after the time of starting results in a penalty of two strokes in stroke play under Rule 6-3a, the penalty for starting early, but within five minutes of the starting time, should be the same. Therefore, under Rule 33-7, the Committee should modify the disqualification penalty to two strokes, unless there is good reason not to do so, e.g., the players ignored a direct instruction from the Committee not to start before 9:00 am.
C incurs no penalty as he did start at 9:00 am, which was the time established by the Committee.
chrisd
Major Champion
I'D be interested as to what would happen after a round where a group were all, or some, were to be disqualified for starting early and claims were made that various watches were wrong. With no starter at my place I'd see this likely to cause a rumpus.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
I would bring back the point that this is a thread about the new rules
The new rule being
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With the point about starting early being an addition to the rule.
My concern now comes when you turn your attention to exception 3 (which is virtually the same as current) nowhere does it explicitly say that the committee may waive the penalty if it is the club's policy to encourage early starting (in line with Ready Golf). The rule seems to imply that a group have got to have specific permission from the committee to start early for a specific competition. This is not a problem for our major comps because we have a starter but do not have one for all of our regular competitions.
As previously said in other thread replies, taken in within context of Ready Golf, if all players within a group are present and the hole they are due to play is clear, what is wrong with teeing off before the official start time.
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jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
This a very good point, the clock on our first tee still shows BST.
rulie
Head Pro
That is certainly not a problem with the Rules and their application!
Old Skier
Tour Winner
How many clubs have an official starter for all the comps.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
The question would be how many players carry some sort of timepiece. The answer would probably none as nobody appears to have one when it comes to the timing of searching for a lost ball
