New rules 2019

[pogle]

Paraphrasing is a bit of understatement.

When you read the proposed new rules in depth including reading the proposed new rules book there are nearly 100 changes to the rules some of which have not been mentioned by the governing bodies

eg You can now be penalised for starting your round earlier than the allocated start time.

You are correct that there are a number of changes that haven't been as heavily trailed as some that have been mentioned here. Unfortunately, your example is incorrect - you are penalised if you start your round early under the existing rules. See http://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-06,d6-3a-5

 

[rulefan]

eg You can now be penalised for starting your round earlier than the allocated start time.

The Rule has been there since Adam was a lad. (6-3a Starting at the time established by the Committee).

The clarifying decision 6-3a/5 re starting early has been in the book since 2012

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Paraphrasing is a bit of understatement.

When you read the proposed new rules in depth including reading the proposed new rules book there are nearly 100 changes to the rules some of which have not been mentioned by the governing bodies

eg You can now be penalised for starting your round earlier than the allocated start time.

Being penalised for starting early is a rule that’s been around for a while already

 

[User101]

We've been there loads of times - before DMD's everyone paced out distances, that took longer than looking at a watch or blipping with a Bushnell. Big time saver and a huge step forward imo

I'm a traditionalist so maybe a bit stuck in the past but I've honestly never been in a group where I've seen someone actually pace distance out and I played when there was 1.62 balls.

I was gobsmacked when my PP's took their trolleys on to the tee, I'm still a bit unsure of it yet.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Agreed, I'd rather see a full ban on any and all DMDs.

And there was me thinking I was alone - in a debate I gave up on ages ago

The power and potential of integrating mobile technology with 'cloud' data, such as gathered from previous rounds and practice, could be seriously detrimental to the game and the way we play it.

 

[Digger]

And there was me thinking I was alone - in a debate I gave up on ages ago

The power and potential of integrating mobile technology with 'cloud' data, such as gathered from previous rounds and practice, could be seriously detrimental to the game and the way we play it.

I don't get this train of thought. You can have all the data you want, but you still have to strike the golf ball.

 

[jim8flog]

Being penalised for starting early is a rule that’s been around for a while already

current rule makes no specific mention of starting early

6-3. Time of Starting and Groups a. Time of Starting

The player must start at the time established by the Committee.

The proposed new rule does
a. When to Start Round

You must:
ï‚· Be ready to play at the starting time and starting point set by the Committee, and ï‚· Start at (and not before) that time.

Existing rule does not specify a penalty for starting early only one for starting late.

Proposed new rule brings in a General Penalty for the rule

 

[Colin L]

It's in the word "at". If you start early it's not at your start time and you are penalised in the same way as for starting late. See Decision 6-3a/5
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-06,d6-3a-5

The proposed new wording makes that clear and in one place instead of being in a Rule and clarified in a Decision which is cumbersome.

 

[rulefan]

current rule makes no specific mention of starting early

6-3. Time of Starting and Groups a. Time of Starting

The player must start at the time established by the Committee.

'at' means 'at'. It doesn't mean 'after' and it doesn't mean 'before'. It means 'on the dot'.

 

[jim8flog]

'at' means 'at'. It doesn't mean 'after' and it doesn't mean 'before'. It means 'on the dot'.

If there are four players all with the same start time how can they all start on the dot?

 

[jim8flog]

It's in the word "at". If you start early it's not at your start time and you are penalised in the same way as for starting late. See Decision 6-3a/5
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-06,d6-3a-5

The proposed new wording makes that clear and in one place instead of being in a Rule and clarified in a Decision which is cumbersome.

I had not been aware aware of the decision. Thanks.

 

[jim8flog]

Where I play we are actively encouraged to go earlier if it is possible.

My concern with the new wording it appears that we are not allowed to give such 'general' advice.

I also do not see how penalising players for starting early fits in with the concept of 'Ready Golf'.

 

[rosecott]

Where I play we are actively encouraged to go earlier if it is possible.

My concern with the new wording it appears that we are not allowed to give such 'general' advice.

I also do not see how penalising players for starting early fits in with the concept of 'Ready Golf'.

The committee can authorise an earlier start.

 

[User101]

A bit late to discuss now I'm afraid. The R&A and USGA have closed the window for responding directly to them so nothing said here now will have any effect.

However, it does seem that one or two proposals have encountered objections.

Leaving flag in - studies have shown that it increases the probability of a ball from on the green having a better outcome by hitting the flag than missing, improving scores by other than putting skill. (Not necessarily being holed but finishing closer the hole).

Dropping - the 20" and 80" distances have caused comments and it is suggested that placing may be the method.

The committee can authorise an earlier start.

Which is essentially your starter

 

[rosecott]

Which is essentially your starter

Having a starter is a nice idea.

 

[oltimer]

Having a starter is a nice idea.

We have a local course which has a Starter 7 days a week !

 

[jim8flog]

Which is essentially your starter

We only have a starter on some days. We never have a starter for optional medals (2 - 3 a week) and the same for our seniors fortnightly comps. We often have complete group 'no shows' particularly in inclement weather which is why one reason we encourage 'go when ready'.

 

[nickjdavis]

I was gobsmacked when my PP's took their trolleys on to the tee, I'm still a bit unsure of it yet.

You mean that they actually wheeled their trolleys onto the teeing ground?

If anyone was seen doing this at my place they'd get a decent metaphorical kick up the arse.....have they no thoughts about care for the course?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You mean that they actually wheeled their trolleys onto the teeing ground?

If anyone was seen doing this at my place they'd get a decent metaphorical kick up the arse.....have they no thoughts about care for the course?

Happens on plenty links courses , the ground is solid enough that it doesn’t really make a difference

 

[User101]

Having a starter is a nice idea.

Surely there must be someone there telling you your up ?

You mean that they actually wheeled their trolleys onto the teeing ground?

If anyone was seen doing this at my place they'd get a decent metaphorical kick up the arse.....have they no thoughts about care for the course?

Yes, it seems to be accepted, I'm still all a bit at sea with it to be honest.