New lockdown will courses close?

[Ethan]

One word on risk of transmission - aggregation

Go on then, explain. I know what it means in English, can you explain how it works in relation to viral transmission.

 

[USER1999]

Also fishing successfully dealt with the dcms in allowing thier sport to carry on, I guess those fish need exercising too...
I see that it clearly doesn't suit your narrative, I'll leave it there.

Please do, as I have zero idea what narrative you think I have.

 

[pendodave]

 

[SammmeBee]

Yes I want to see family if rules permit , family i haven’t seen for months.

I think you could have gone to see them...?!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It wouldn't surprise me, and I may be well of the mark here (not for the first time) that this could be a precursor to a more stringent lockdown in January and February. The coldest months anyway, no-one has cash after a Christmas splurge and the height of cold and flu season. If we reduce movement and contact as much as possible surely (and again this may be way over simplifying it) the risk at a potential peak is significantly reduced. Of couse there is still the need for the public to react sensibly and with sense and abide

 

[Diamond]

1) November is a horrible month. It gets dark early, the weather is lousy and everyone is waiting for December. Could be worse months for lockdown...like any of the other 11.

2) Saying that a private members club where you pay several thousand pounds a year for the privelage to enjoy the fresh air on your own is an odd place to lockdown during a pandemic when public parks are still open.

3) On a sensible note I hope everyone stays safe makes sure they are a good distance from anyone not in their bubble, wears a mask and uses sanitiser before, during and after you have ventured out.

 

[robinthehood]

1) November is a horrible month. It gets dark early, the weather is lousy and everyone is waiting for December. Could be worse months for lockdown...like any of the other 11.

2) Saying that a private members club where you pay several thousand pounds a year for the privelage to enjoy the fresh air on your own is an odd place to lockdown during a pandemic when public parks are still open.

3) On a sensible note I hope everyone stays safe makes sure they are a good distance from anyone not in their bubble, wears a mask and uses sanitiser before, during and after you have ventured out.

Except its going to be perfect golf weather this weekend, at least in north London.

 

[Old Skier]

 

[Diamond]

Except its going to be perfect golf weather this weekend, at least in north London.

Plenty of public parks open. Enjoy.?

 

[Swinglowandslow]

The expectation in all environments, including the supermarket, takeaway restaurant etc is that people act sensibly. The prohibition on golf is not because some members at your club might stand under a verandah. They could do the same at Tesco. It is part of a simplistic ban on outside sport. According to Dr Chris Smith, clinical lecturer in virology at the University of Cambridge, the chances of Covid-19 transmission outside were “vanishingly small” because “the amount of dilution from fresh air is so high”. Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance agree. For reference, "vanishingly small" means effectively negligible.

But if you want to reduce even a very, very slim chance, then you need to close schools, universities, limit the number of visits to the supermarket per week, marshal people in those supermarkets on social distancing and mask wearing, prohibit self identification of exempt status, stop pubs selling takeaway beer, make sure people at the supermarket, out exercising etc don't stand near one another, and most importantly of all, do not promise people they can still meet for Christmas. Because that will result in increased cases again. We are being asked to store up deaths and admissions for late December and January.

Your plea is mis-stated. Being objective is precisely what is needed, because objectivity means being willing to examine the different issues, and it is simply false to infer that all elements of these rules will save lives.

"Expectation" is not what happens in practice. Seems to me highly likely that the government didn't expect people to behave sensibly, so had to use something of a sledgehammer for the nut this time.?
My "veranda" was an example, but every golfer knows where almost confined ,though technically outside , places at their club have been frequented by non SD numbers. And that's where transmissions would occur. My post agreed with you that out on the course ,and open fresh air venues where the air can disperse breath, afforded no risk ( why do you write as if all points being made in replies disagree with you??)
And ,yes, the severe measures you list are what may be needed to attain and keep below R1, and I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come to that at some point this winter.
Especially if people have a " normal" Christmas. I did condemn that that should happen, but your comment re Christmas didn't acknowledge that?
Maybe you were referring more to condemning someone's promise than seeing we were on the same hymn sheet re the effects of such a Christmas?

I am already missing going to the golf club and range, and I've missed using the clubhouse since April/May, but securing our wants before doing the best to beat this virus is not the way to go.
It is not false to infer that all these rules will save lives. To say that it is gives justification to every vested interest which wants themselves to be exempt.

 

[robinthehood]

Plenty of public parks open. Enjoy.?

Sadly I'll be trooping around bandq with loads of others.

 

[Ethan]

"Expectation" is not what happens in practice. Seems to me highly likely that the government didn't expect people to behave sensibly, so had to use something of a sledgehammer for the nut this time.?
My "veranda" was an example, but every golfer knows where almost confined ,though technically outside , places at their club have been frequented by non SD numbers. And that's where transmissions would occur. My post agreed with you that out on the course ,and open fresh air venues where the air can disperse breath, afforded no risk ( why do you write as if all points being made in replies disagree with you??)
And ,yes, the severe measures you list are what may be needed to attain and keep below R1, and I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come to that at some point this winter.
Especially if people have a " normal" Christmas. I did condemn that that should happen, but your comment re Christmas didn't acknowledge that?
Maybe you were referring more to condemning someone's promise than seeing we were on the same hymn sheet re the effects of such a Christmas?

I am already missing going to the golf club and range, and I've missed using the clubhouse since April/May, but securing our wants before doing the best to beat this virus is not the way to go.
It is not false to infer that all these rules will save lives. To say that it is gives justification to every vested interest which wants themselves to be exempt.

I think you credit Govt with applying more thought to much of this than they really did. They wanted to ban football, rugby and other contact sports and decided it was simpler just to ban everything without too much consideration.

The line about securing our wants before beating the virus is placing these two in opposition when they are not. Allowing sensible things to continue helps keep people to do without the risky stuff, not hinders it. Some of these rules will not save lives, but there are rules missing that would. For example, NI had an extra period of school/uni closure recently, so why couldn't GB? The answer is note in science but in that which is banned on the forum.

 

[ExRabbit]

When they announced the lockdown, I always expected golf to be cancelled. It was. It was always going to be. It's lazy, maybe, but once something like golf is allowed, tennis, bowling, swimming, boules, dominoes, whatever gets to be considered. It would take months to filter out who can, and who cannot continue with their chosen activity.
Yes, to us golfers, it's obvious we should continue, but it just opens a door of contention once there starts to be exceptions.

My thoughts exactly. It's just a few weeks.

Relax, have a walk, chip a few wiffle balls in the garden if you have one, or sponge balls indoors and putt on the carpet.

To repeat, it's only 4 weeks. No need for all the drama.

 

[Fish]

So, in reading over some of these posts, it would seem that some people think it’s a small sacrifice to give playing golf (a very low risk, if a risk at all) a miss for 4-weeks and is all for ‘the greater good’ so that we don’t potentially spread the virus, especially amongst loved ones, seems sensible in part.

But, if the law allows, those same people will happily, because they can, have family visit over Christmas when they don’t know where they’ve been, who they’ve recently been in contact with, and could be bringing Covid into their home endangering their immediate family, not so sensible!

Can those people not think for themselves, if they are so agreeable with the current laws and accept that the highest risks are from meeting and being in close contact with people, indoors, then what makes having anyone visit at Christmas suddenly acceptable, to risk bringing a disease into their homes, just because ‘they can’?

Surely with those same ‘greater good’ attitudes, it’s sensible to not have anyone visit as the risks to their own family surely outweigh the positives as we’re not actually in a full lockdown of sorts, people are in close contact everywhere, indoors, whether it be in a small shop, supermarket, school, university, petrol garage and even work, all those people are mixing with members of our family, so why invite that risk into the family home?

This isn’t a lockdown, it’s just a slowdown and delay of stats so as not to ruin Christmas, for some, but then what, back to a tier system and watch different areas climb again, wait for the inevitable national spike following Christmas & New Year celebrations because everyone met up, because they could!

I’m in & out of high risk areas on a daily basis, I’m tested on a regular basis and take an unprecedented amount of precautions, but I’ve already turned down many invites to join friends at Christmas, because I would feel terrible if I contributed to anyone catching the virus from me, even though unintentionally, but just because I could meet up with them socially, indoors, I won’t!

All together now....it will be lonely this Christmas.....

 

[PhilTheFragger]

All together now....it will be lonely this Christmas.....

Bom Bom Bom Bom ??

 

[Old Skier]

Looks like we’ll be back on the golf course before the American Elections finalized at this rate - just an observation

 

[howbow88]

Just for a bit of a distraction, I wouldn't be surprised if some driving ranges, especially the top tracer style ranges, were areas of spread. Observed groups sharing bays etc.
Obviously could have closed the ranges but left the courses open.

That's my thoughts too. Our bays are quite big, but loads of people have been sharing. And whilst it isn't 'inside', it is covered and you walk through the clubhouse to get there. Then you have screens too... I was taking a wet wipe with me to give it a quick clean, and then using the butt of my grip to touch the screen.

The range is my golf fix during the winter, but I understand why they have closed them. Although I participate in very little winter golf so it doesn't impact me much, banning golf as a whole seems utterly illogical.

Talks of people throwing tantrums on here... Not really. Just people a little cheesed off with the decision and discussing it. This is a discussion forum about, you know, golf. As such, when it is banned on seemingly warped logic, it is going to cause some discussion...

 

[Hercules]

My thoughts exactly. It's just a few weeks.

Relax, have a walk, chip a few wiffle balls in the garden if you have one, or sponge balls indoors and putt on the carpet.

To repeat, it's only 4 weeks. No need for all the drama.

You really think it's only four weeks!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think you could have gone to see them...?!

Many reasons why it’s not been possible but have a plan in place for Xmas if allowed including testing and isolation - sport can be replaced as an activity for a short period - seeing family is harder to replace

You really think it's only four weeks!

Yes it’s 4 weeks - end date and what will happen then has already been stated

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Go on then, explain. I know what it means in English, can you explain how it works in relation to viral transmission.

I see it working in the context of a community rather than an individual activity or small group of individuals together.

In any community there are a vast number of scenarios and contexts in which individuals meet or mingle in some way. Now the risk of viral transmission between individuals in each separate context could be small - very small in some. But the risk in each context is there...

And so in a community of many thousands where without restriction there would be many hundreds of interactions at any one time, the risk of one or more transmissions happening in that community at any one time - even with care being taken we can ‘slip up’ - becomes much more significant than the risk of transmission in any single context or interaction. And of course 54 groups on a golf course at any one time is simply a sub-community of the community in which the club is located.

Its like I said. Roll a die once looking for a 6 and you probably won’t get one. Roll that die 100 times and you almost certainly will get a few 6s. But that‘s just my take on it.