New lockdown will courses close?

[Jacko_G]

This is now a thread moaning about people moaning about the lockdown

Ok - I'll buck the trend and say I'm looking forward to 18 holes tomorrow.

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[clubchamp98]

The other thing with golf, versus walking in a park, is that every person playing has been booked in, and is available for contact should a playing partner subsequently get covid.

People you meet / pass in the park, less so, unless they have the app, and who does?

The most sensible post to date.
My feelings exactly.

 

[Ethan]

Yesterday a man lost his wife and his two sons in a couple of days due to Covid - surely we can go 4 weeks without a game it there is a chance we can help reduce someone losing a loved one

That is an unfair comment. The evidence is now strong that Covid spreads through indoor close and prolonged contact in poorly ventilated places. Golf ticks nobodies there, and England Golf recommendations for changing in the car park etc all seem very sensible. Suggesting that someone responsibly playing golf is endangering others is just wrong.

By the same token, would you like to see more stringent rules on indoor contacts, and if so, what?

 

[PJ87]

That is an unfair comment. The evidence is now strong that Covid spreads through indoor close and prolonged contact in poorly ventilated places. Golf ticks nobodies there, and England Golf recommendations for changing in the car park etc all seem very sensible. Suggesting that someone responsibly playing golf is endangering others is just wrong.

By the same token, would you like to see more stringent rules on indoor contacts, and if so, what?

Also without wanting to be crass in that situation if I lost everything like that I'd need golf to distract me from my own dark thoughts

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Ok - I'll buck the trend and say I'm looking forward to 18 holes tomorrow.

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Enjoy your game and make some birdies for me

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That is an unfair comment. The evidence is now strong that Covid spreads through indoor close and prolonged contact in poorly ventilated places. Golf ticks nobodies there, and England Golf recommendations for changing in the car park etc all seem very sensible. Suggesting that someone responsibly playing golf is endangering others is just wrong.

By the same token, would you like to see more stringent rules on indoor contacts, and if so, what?

How is it an unfair comment ?

People are dying from this virus and all we have been asked to do is not play golf for 4 weeks to try and maybe help , that’s all , nothing more than that - just a simple request even if we think it’s a bit unfair and the sport can be played safely , it’s just a small period to try and help reduce the spread in anyway possible.

The virus is bigger than someone being able to play golf and maybe we should just think of those who are losing loved ones before we complain about not being able to play the sport.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

We apparently had some members who ignored all the guidelines and mails and still turned up trying to play today. They got as far as the 1st green where the greenkeepers were hollow-coring and then they also realised every flag had been removed and covers put over the holes. Now we will see what they get in terms of a club ban. I was all for crucifixtion - first offense and all that.

 

[Ethan]

How is it an unfair comment ?

People are dying from this virus and all we have been asked to do is not play golf for 4 weeks to try and maybe help , that’s all , nothing more than that - just a simple request even if we think it’s a bit unfair and the sport can be played safely , it’s just a small period to try and help reduce the spread in anyway possible.

The virus is bigger than someone being able to play golf and maybe we should just think of those who are losing loved ones before we complain about not being able to play the sport.

Seriously? Trying to guilt people into not wanting to play golf by citing a story about a family who lost 3 people?

The fact is that the risk outdoors is very low (vanishingly small according to some virologists) and essentially zero with a few common sense measures such as those applied by clubs and the golf associations. Getting out for exercise is good for people, for their physical and mental health, and reduces contact time within the home too.

If you have such a zero tolerance attitude, tell me what else that is currently allowed should be banned? Maximum number of visits to the supermarket (indoors, closer contact, poorer ventilation) per week? Any other bright ideas?

 

[robinthehood]

How is it an unfair comment ?

People are dying from this virus and all we have been asked to do is not play golf for 4 weeks to try and maybe help , that’s all , nothing more than that - just a simple request even if we think it’s a bit unfair and the sport can be played safely , it’s just a small period to try and help reduce the spread in anyway possible.

The virus is bigger than someone being able to play golf and maybe we should just think of those who are losing loved ones before we complain about not being able to play the sport.

Its an order,not a request. And your reaction is over the top to say the least. playing or not playing of golf will do nothing to the spread of covid.

 

[Imurg]

It's the absurdity of the logic that's annoying people.
People are still going to work, kids are going to school...
Many businesses that, on the face of it should be shut, are open..Riding schools being one from earlier in the thread.
If the Powers that Be have data implicating certain areas of society as probable transmission hot spots then show us the numbers..
Give us a chance to understand why..why an area of open ground can be used for one relativly uncontrolled activity ( walking) but not another, quite markedly controlled with set times of admission, numbers and traceability.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Seriously? Trying to guilt people into not wanting to play golf by citing a story about a family who lost 3 people?

The fact is that the risk outdoors is very low (vanishingly small according to some virologists) and essentially zero with a few common sense measures such as those applied by clubs and the golf associations. Getting out for exercise is good for people, for their physical and mental health, and reduces contact time within the home too.

If you have such a zero tolerance attitude, tell me what else that is currently allowed should be banned? Maximum number of visits to the supermarket (indoors, closer contact, poorer ventilation) per week? Any other bright ideas?

It’s not about guilt it’s about realism that this virus is affecting the country in many ways - you can still go out and exercise and get fresh air , you haven’t been stopped from doing that just like you weren’t stopped from doing before.

It’s not my choice what is allowed or not - every single one of us will have a different opinion based on our own personal reasons and choices. People far more informed than us are making the choices and giving the evidence , they are the ones that are putting everything on the line - we are being asked to do something very small in the grand scheme of things. Life at times is unfair , sometimes we need to make sacrifices for the potential greater good - I would rather have a 4 week break now from playing golf than not be able to see other family over Xmas.

 

[Ethan]

It’s not about guilt it’s about realism that this virus is affecting the country in many ways - you can still go out and exercise and get fresh air , you haven’t been stopped from doing that just like you weren’t stopped from doing before.

It’s not my choice what is allowed or not - every single one of us will have a different opinion based on our own personal reasons and choices. People far more informed than us are making the choices and giving the evidence , they are the ones that are putting everything on the line - we are being asked to do something very small in the grand scheme of things. Life at times is unfair , sometimes we need to make sacrifices for the potential greater good - I would rather have a 4 week break now from playing golf than not be able to see other family over Xmas.

Well, you can speak for yourself in relation to how informed you are, but Chris Whitty, Jon van Tam and Patrick Vallance have made it very clear, as it obvious from even a cursory read of the data, that this is a condition which is spread by close and prolonged contact indoors in poorly ventilated places. If you think a golf course fulfils that, fine, don't play, but you have no right guilting other people who think differently.

Opening golf courses to operate under England Golf rules will make precisely no difference to your chance of having a family Christmas, but you should note that having a family Christmas may affect your chances of having another lockdown in January. So if you are really concerned about the greater good and all that other stuff, you will tell your rellies to stay where they are and have a Zoom Christmas.

I note that you have been asked twice to tell me what else you think should not be allowed, but you have not answered so presumably you think the current rules are 100% perfect and need absolutely no adjustment.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well, you can speak for yourself in relation to how informed you are, but Chris Whitty, Jon van Tam and Patrick Vallance have made it very clear, as it obvious from even a cursory read of the data, that this is a condition which is spread by close and prolonged contact indoors in poorly ventilated places. If you think a golf course fulfils that, fine, don't play, but you have no right guilting other people who think differently.

Opening golf courses to operate under England Golf rules will make precisely no difference to your chance of having a family Christmas, but you should note that having a family Christmas may affect your chances of having another lockdown in January. So if you are really concerned about the greater good and all that other stuff, you will tell your rellies to stay where they are and have a Zoom Christmas.

I note that you have been asked twice to tell me what else you think should not be allowed, but you have not answered so presumably you think the current rules are 100% perfect and need absolutely no adjustment.

As per normal you miss the point completely - it’s not about of something could open or not , those decisions have been made by the people we decided should make them. It’s about people complaining because they can’t play a game of golf during a country issue that is affecting millions including people who are losing their loved ones . I don’t need to tell you what should or shouldn’t be allowed - it’s not my place.

I believed they should have carried on with the localised lockdowns which appeared to be working but the powers to be decided differently and it’s now up to us to just get on with it and think of the greater good - is your game of golf really that important in the bigger picture ? Do you really need to hit that little white ball , is it that much of a hardship to not do it for 4 weeks ?

 

[CliveW]

The other thing with golf, versus walking in a park, is that every person playing has been booked in, and is available for contact should a playing partner subsequently get covid.

People you meet / pass in the park, less so, unless they have the app, and who does?

And it is a one way system on the golf course.

 

[Ethan]

As per normal you miss the point completely - it’s not about of something could open or not , those decisions have been made by the people we decided should make them. It’s about people complaining because they can’t play a game of golf during a country issue that is affecting millions including people who are losing their loved ones . I don’t need to tell you what should or shouldn’t be allowed - it’s not my place.

I believed they should have carried on with the localised lockdowns which appeared to be working but the powers to be decided differently and it’s now up to us to just get on with it and think of the greater good - is your game of golf really that important in the bigger picture ? Do you really need to hit that little white ball , is it that much of a hardship to not do it for 4 weeks ?

As I have said before here previously, I have finished playing golf for the season, so I won't be playing even if Boris Johnson calls me and asks me to lead the nation in a special exemption for golf. Precisely zero hardship for me, won't affect me in the slightest if the courses have metaphorical tumbleweeds blowing over them or the timesheets crammed.

And don't get all coy, you ARE telling us what should or shouldn't be allowed. You are able to apply your analysis of the risk and appropriate response to say that the localised lockdowns should have continued, but you seem unwilling to stretch your analytic powers to considering the various elements of the national rules. A curious but rather convenient delineation of insight.

Think what you like, but don't throw a dead family in anybody's face to justify something that, by your own admission, you don't really understand.

 

[DanFST]

It’s now up to us to just get on with it and think of the greater good - is your game of golf really that important in the bigger picture ? Do you really need to hit that little white ball , is it that much of a hardship to not do it for 4 weeks ?

It's not for the greater good tho... It's a non science based decision. I have seen no data that suggests the risk of infection playing golf is more than horse riding etc.

I have been open on here about my mental health. Golf is my release, I get up early and function thanks to golf. I now have a month at home alone with no reason to leave the house at all, no reason to have any structure in my life. So yes that little ball does mean considerable amounts to me.

 

[94tegsi]

i find it interesting that during the biggest pandemic in modern times we have the lowest hospital bed occupancy rates recorded.... by a significant number.... is number of cases really the right data set to be using...?

 

[Hercules]

As per normal you miss the point completely - it’s not about of something could open or not , those decisions have been made by the people we decided should make them. It’s about people complaining because they can’t play a game of golf during a country issue that is affecting millions including people who are losing their loved ones . I don’t need to tell you what should or shouldn’t be allowed - it’s not my place.

I believed they should have carried on with the localised lockdowns which appeared to be working but the powers to be decided differently and it’s now up to us to just get on with it and think of the greater good - is your game of golf really that important in the bigger picture ? Do you really need to hit that little white ball , is it that much of a hardship to not do it for 4 weeks ?

I doubt that anybody agrees that we elected this lot to take away our personal freedoms at their whim and based on dodgy data

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's not for the greater good tho... It's a non science based decision. I have seen no data that suggests the risk of infection playing golf is more than horse riding etc.

I have been open on here about my mental health. Golf is my release, I get up early and function thanks to golf. I now have a month at home alone with no reason to leave the house at all, no reason to have any structure in my life. So yes that little ball does mean considerable amounts to me.

Don’t get me wrong - it’s a tough situation for everyone and it’s not going to be easy. Everyone of us will have something that we will be missing or can’t do that we will struggle with - and it’s about finding something else to fill that void for a while , I haven’t seen my parents since Jan , they haven’t seen their granddaughter in that period and they struggle with it. My wife is very close to her family and struggled badly and still does now when she can’t see her mum or sister plus nieces and nephews etc - it’s hard.

I don’t agree with not being able to play outdoor sports - for many it is a release after a hard day , but there is a bigger picture in all this , people are suffering because of the illness , people have lost so many things including jobs , family members and whilst we may not agree with what’s been agreed surely in the grand scheme of things the sacrifice is very small

I doubt that anybody agrees that we elected this lot to take away our personal freedoms at their whim and based on dodgy data

Your personal freedom hasn’t been removed just because a golf club has closed

 

[hovis]

For me it's not a case of moaning because I can't play golf. It's about moaning because golf was banned when fishing wasn't!. Its the fact that I can't play golf but I've just got back from dog training class with my dog. Yes, you read that right. Dog training is classed as animal welfare so gets a pass. If the government did a blanket ban I think many people on this post would be OK. Its the inconsistencies thats getting on my goat.