Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Optimum angles (I think) are around 13 degrees so yours is best. His swing is obviously different from yours meaning he is putting more backspin on the ball and hitting it higher. He needs a fitting!
Optimum angles (I think) are around 13 degrees so yours is best. His swing is obviously different from yours meaning he is putting more backspin on the ball and hitting it higher. He needs a fitting!
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Brendy, I've been using a 9* mizuno for the last few years which hasn't helped me at all. I've now ditched that and have been using a 10.5* donnay and my driving has been a lot more consistant.
When i was trying all of the drivers, they were all 10.5* and i was getting a better ball height off the Yonex than the Ping.
When i spoke with the Pro about this, he swapped the Ping head from 10.5* to 12* which improved my ball height a lot.I didn't think 1.5* would make such an improvement but it did.
madandra
Money List Winner
Re: New Driver
Aye right Al. Rub it in big fella cos my quid at The Law is one of the ones that helped pay for it.
My G10 has almost paid for itself within a year with longest drive prizes.
I highly recommend it.
Aye right Al. Rub it in big fella cos my quid at The Law is one of the ones that helped pay for it.
Atticus_Finch
Journeyman Pro
Re: New Driver
And it is very much appreciated Andy.
PS> I just going to get it out here right now.
I'M ABSOLUTELY GUTTED I CAN'T MAKE IT NEXT WEEK!!
There. I've said it.
Really look forward to the photies.
As you were.
My G10 has almost paid for itself within a year with longest drive prizes.
I highly recommend it.
Aye right Al. Rub it in big fella cos my quid at The Law is one of the ones that helped pay for it.
And it is very much appreciated Andy.
PS> I just going to get it out here right now.
I'M ABSOLUTELY GUTTED I CAN'T MAKE IT NEXT WEEK!!
There. I've said it.
Really look forward to the photies.
As you were.
RGuk
Tour Winner
Can I shed any light?
The lowest loft driver I've ever had was a 9* T-M "Bubble Burner" c. 1996. Went miles in the summer, but 3/10 never quite got up in the air.
At present I have a 10.5, a 12 and a 13. If I hit it sweet, the 10.5 goes the furthest....end of story.
I have to say that the 12 is a tad shorter (less than 10 yards) but a) gets a more consistent flight and b) is a touch straighter. The new 13 degree is to maximise carry for the winter and save carrying a 3 wood. It really is a doddle to hit and is pretty straight.
For my money (i.m.o.) the clubhead speed is important. Slow swinging players will struggle to get any kind of launch with a 9 or 10 degree IF they are not making extra loft swinging just on the way up. I have a slow speed but was "monitored" as getting 14-15 degrees launch with a 10.5.
f.w.i.w. the "ideal" average for medium swings is 10.5 or 11. Tests with robots show that if you are down at 90mph or even 85, then 12 or 13 is more useful.
I leave you with this scary thought.....
Players with a very slow swing speed (and there are lots) will get more distance with a 15 degree 3 wood than a driver....it's been proven....
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
Thing I've noticed about drivers & face angle, is that launch angle varies depending on driver & manufacturer.
Its the launch angle & not the face angle that is important.
I've tried 10.5 & 11.5 degree drivers, from various manufactureres, that fly higher than my old Yonex 12 degree driver. I love my 9.5 degree Titleist driver, gives me a flight path I love, though as I've been layed up over the winter period this year I've put the Yonex 12degree back in the bag, for the time being
There is a real difference between face angles, on flight path, if you are talking about varients of the same driver from one manufacturer.... But as I say, start looking at different manufacturers & models of driver, then things can become a bit more confused, or should I say fuzzy.
I really think 10.5 degrees is a good starting point when trying out a particular driver, but with an open mind to go up or down the loft angles to get the right launch angle. & this is even before trying other drivers or models.
Always walk into a shop with an open mind. Walking into a shop with a closed mind & only being prepared to look at one club or one face angle or one shaft is blinkered to the extreme. And I do think the industry has to accept the blame for this blinkered opinion many of us can have when looking for clubs, as the industry does seem to come out with some statements like amatures could all benefit from 12 degree lofts in drivers... Rubbish.! There is no such thing as an average golfer, as there are always differences in how everyone hits a ball. It rates up amongst amatures can't hit blades, amatures can't compress high end balls, amatures can't do this, or that or something completely different. Everyone whether amature or pro, or whatever is each different in their own way, each with their own strengths & weaknesses & has nothing at all to do with what standard of golfer they are, whether scratch or 28 handicap, or anything inbetween.
When anyone walks into a shop, one of the first questions the assistent will ask is what handicap are you? rather than getting you to hit some balls to see what item, or items will actually suit best. Nothing worse than being steered towards something before even striking a ball.
So just as we can be blinkered at times, the industry is worse & this lack of open mindedness gets handed right down the chain & the fitting assistents in golf shops can get brainwashed into taking these all encompassing statments about amatures as fact rather than something to be taken with a pinch of salt. After all we should all go by the old addage of....
... "Lies, Damn Lies & Statistics"..
(Point made & bug bear off chest now)
Its the launch angle & not the face angle that is important.
I've tried 10.5 & 11.5 degree drivers, from various manufactureres, that fly higher than my old Yonex 12 degree driver. I love my 9.5 degree Titleist driver, gives me a flight path I love, though as I've been layed up over the winter period this year I've put the Yonex 12degree back in the bag, for the time being
There is a real difference between face angles, on flight path, if you are talking about varients of the same driver from one manufacturer.... But as I say, start looking at different manufacturers & models of driver, then things can become a bit more confused, or should I say fuzzy.
I really think 10.5 degrees is a good starting point when trying out a particular driver, but with an open mind to go up or down the loft angles to get the right launch angle. & this is even before trying other drivers or models.
Always walk into a shop with an open mind. Walking into a shop with a closed mind & only being prepared to look at one club or one face angle or one shaft is blinkered to the extreme. And I do think the industry has to accept the blame for this blinkered opinion many of us can have when looking for clubs, as the industry does seem to come out with some statements like amatures could all benefit from 12 degree lofts in drivers... Rubbish.! There is no such thing as an average golfer, as there are always differences in how everyone hits a ball. It rates up amongst amatures can't hit blades, amatures can't compress high end balls, amatures can't do this, or that or something completely different. Everyone whether amature or pro, or whatever is each different in their own way, each with their own strengths & weaknesses & has nothing at all to do with what standard of golfer they are, whether scratch or 28 handicap, or anything inbetween.
When anyone walks into a shop, one of the first questions the assistent will ask is what handicap are you? rather than getting you to hit some balls to see what item, or items will actually suit best. Nothing worse than being steered towards something before even striking a ball.
So just as we can be blinkered at times, the industry is worse & this lack of open mindedness gets handed right down the chain & the fitting assistents in golf shops can get brainwashed into taking these all encompassing statments about amatures as fact rather than something to be taken with a pinch of salt. After all we should all go by the old addage of....
... "Lies, Damn Lies & Statistics"..
(Point made & bug bear off chest now)
Tommo21
Tour Winner
Got one and my mate who's a 1 HC player has just went Nike.
It's a love em or hate em job with nike's and I got rid of a G10 for it.
RGuk
Tour Winner
Agreed.....that is why fitting is so important, unless (like me) you want to have a collection anyway to suit your mood or current game.
I started with a 10.5 and went for a 12 as I felt my flight was getting too low......something to do with swing changes.
Excellent fella, This is the kind of thing I was meaning, I have never tried a 12 degree as my original Callaway 9.5 was always high enough for me. That said, I did try a Titleist 905 series driver with 9.5 degrees a few years ago and it was noticeably lower in trajectory. I think that manufacturers do tinker with loft so 9.5 across all of the makes will differ (same as their irons where one pw is 46.5 degs and another is 48 degs depending on what company made it)
T
thecraw
Guest
That is a lot of absolute codswollop!
I have my print outs from my time at St Andrews getting fitted by Ping, my swing was on average 108mph over the session. With the 10.5 I was 236 carry and a dispersion of 22 yards. The 12 degree I was 239 carry and a dispersion of 16 yards.
You have simply published a generalisation of your thoughts and perceptions of club head speed and what it equates too. Different people create different speeds and angles of attack into the ball thus creating differnt launch angles which determines greatly the distance a golf ball will go.
Your robot test will give the same angle of attack every time so it can hardly be taken as gospel!
Thecraw on the flip side, I was I was told by a pro that the launch monitors etc can be augmented to read whatever you want to see. This guy was building and fitting out his new indoor coaching suite and I asked why he hadn't included one or two of these. Ive never used a monitor though would like to just to see what it said.
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
Indeed. I tend to collect things too. Fairly much as I seemed to have done with my Guitar, Bass & mandolin collection over the years.
But getting back on to the direct subject I've 3 drivers I've enjoyed using over the last few years which I've kept & can go back to at whim, allowing for conditions of the course & condition of my game. Seeing as I've played twice in two & a half months, which for me is probably the least I've played in 4 years, ever. I'd dropped the old faithful of my Yonex back in the bag. Its working well, going reasonably far for this time of year & going straight, even with some draw. Couldn't ask for any more. Especially as for 3 years I had a lot of familiarity with the right hand side of a lot of local courses.
My three drivers of choice for rotating are:-
Wilson Staff DD6+ with V2 shaft. 10.5 degree
Yonex Cyberstar Nanospeed 12 degree
Titleist 907 D1 9.5 degree
Oh I got the Titleist to keep the ball down below the Radar on Windy links courses, but found it worked so well in the bag & wasn't going that low, but simply penetrative, it stayed in. Even till I played my first game of 2009 when for the sake of lack of practice & having not struck a ball in over a month the Yonex seemed a prudent choice.
RGuk
Tour Winner
You are too kind. It's not my thoughts, it was a scientific study carried out in America. Everyone swings differently, we know that. With an average of 108 mph, the "expected" ideal (yes, using a robot) is going to be "around" 11 degrees. If you get more carry with 12, that's great! I'm well pleased for anyone finding a better set-up.
I don't see how describing my personal experience (of 3 differing drivers) (including the admission that with a 9 degree I was rubbish) as codswallop is really in the spirit.
If you want to reply that this is not your experience and we shouldn't trust robots is fine.....to slag off 15 years of trying to be a better player and work out what's best for my game is.....well.....a rather negative attitude.
Sorry, but it wasn't my intention to mislead or send anyone down the wrong route in choosing a driver. I do believe somewhere amongst these posts I do in fact agree with Cernunnos that fitting is important....
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USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I am a hacker, and have a 9.5 degree 907 D1. It goes fine. Any higher, it would have snow on. I can't imagine hitting a 13 degree, it would be silly.
On the other hand, into wind, I play my 15 degree 3 wood, to keep it low.
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On the other hand, into wind, I play my 15 degree 3 wood, to keep it low.
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Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
the good thing about 3 woods, especially the smaller headed versions is they can be worked to give different flight characteristics.
D
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I think choosing a new driver is " horses for courses". What suits 1 person will not suit another. When i went down the range to try out the drivers i wanted to avoid the statistics side of it and choose a driver for the results i seen which was much more important for me.
Only time will tell if i've chosen the right driver.
Only time will tell if i've chosen the right driver.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I think that is why it is so important when trying any new clubs to actually hit them on a range or practice area and actually see for yourself how the ball flies and how that fits in with your swing and your expectations
viscount17
Money List Winner
Re: New Driver
horses for courses.
Can't hit the G10, loved the Nanospeed
horses for courses.
Can't hit the G10, loved the Nanospeed
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Re: New Driver
The G10 is undoubtedly a good driver and has found much favour on here. However to say it is the best on the market for price is a bit of a tough call. There are lots of decent drivers out there and one mans Ping is anothers Mizuno etc
The G10 is undoubtedly a good driver and has found much favour on here. However to say it is the best on the market for price is a bit of a tough call. There are lots of decent drivers out there and one mans Ping is anothers Mizuno etc
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Re: New Driver
Homer, like i said in my 1st post it was a very tough decision choosing between the Yonex and Ping. I was getting the same results with both drivers and in the end went with the Ping. The only 2 faults i could pick with the Yonex was the grip and it sounded a bit tinny.
I would say there's not much between them, i'm looking forward to the beast arriving
Homer, like i said in my 1st post it was a very tough decision choosing between the Yonex and Ping. I was getting the same results with both drivers and in the end went with the Ping. The only 2 faults i could pick with the Yonex was the grip and it sounded a bit tinny.
I would say there's not much between them, i'm looking forward to the beast arriving
