My Swing Speed Journey

[Springveldt]

TPI talking about swinging athletically vs “taking a bit off” for better results.

What a great video and I've learned that I'm the wish.com version of Wyndham Clark. Everything he says that he feels in his golf swing (gets to his right side and can't get back, all upper body, always fearful of the chunks) is exactly what I feel. Even the drill Dr Rose gets him to do by standing on one leg with his eyes closed I find much easier on my left leg than right which is weird as I'm right side dominant.

 

[SocketRocket]

I recognize your good intentions by posting the video but I think those kind of videos do more harm than good. For a few people the video may help there are a lot that the video will hurt.

Regarding speed, I can do a seemingly effortless swing and reach 100 mph, BUT I can reach 15 mph more with a less smooth looking swing. I can assure you I have not reached that speed by training my “release” or focusing on “looking smooth and effortless”. That is only achievable with hours and hours of (efficient if possible) training and it is very inefficient to think consciously about the release while training speed.

Also, the release showed by that guy is not what we should aim to have. If you want to play great golf with high club head speed you want much less face rotation in your release, but that is a different topic...

So your suggesting Ben Hogan was wrong when he showed how you should supinate the lead hand through impact?
If you don't do this you just won't be able to create good swing speeds, all tour pros supinate, all of them.

 

[hambugerpete]

So your suggesting Ben Hogan was wrong when he showed how you should supinate the lead hand through impact?
If you don't do this you just won't be able to create good swing speeds, all tour pros supinate, all of them.

Are you on commission to say supinate ?

 

[Golf is fun]

So your suggesting Ben Hogan was wrong when he showed how you should supinate the lead hand through impact?
If you don't do this you just won't be able to create good swing speeds, all tour pros supinate, all of them.

What Hogan felt like he was doing doesn't equate to what he was actually doing. This is almost the same argument as a motion looking smooth and effortless to a spectator not actually being effortless for the person actually doing it.

I don't think anyone will argue that most if not all tour pros lead wrist is supinating through impact, but I suspect very few if any pros are actively doing this or thinking about it. There's also an optimum amount to do it, like paracetamol more doesn't equal better.

Interestingly I think there is a study out there that shows faster swings typically have faster rates of closure into and through impact. I haven't actually read it, so don't ask me to post it, plus it could just be stating the obvious, that a fast and a slow swing could both be square at impact and 5 degrees open xcm before impact, just the rate of closure is faster on the fast swing because it covers that x cm in less time.

More interestingly, Ping conducted a study on rate of closure, accuracy, handicap level and ball striking ability and found none of those are particularly correlated with rate of closure.

 

[Backache]

More interestingly, Ping conducted a study on rate of closure, accuracy, handicap level and ball striking ability and found none of those are particularly correlated with rate of closure.

Not sure if it was the Ping study but I did here Sasho Mackenzie talking on a podcast saying that although slow or fast rates of closure were not correlated with ability .
Ability was correlated with a consistent rate of closure.

 

[Golf is fun]

Not sure if it was the Ping study but I did here Sasho Mackenzie talking on a podcast saying that although slow or fast rates of closure were not correlated with ability .
Ability was correlated with a consistent rate of closure.

That makes sense logically, because an inconsistent closure rate would suggest being too open or closed and then your body instinctively flipping the clubface or holding it off at the last minute.

 

[SocketRocket]

What Hogan felt like he was doing doesn't equate to what he was actually doing. This is almost the same argument as a motion looking smooth and effortless to a spectator not actually being effortless for the person actually doing it.

I don't think anyone will argue that most if not all tour pros lead wrist is supinating through impact, but I suspect very few if any pros are actively doing this or thinking about it. There's also an optimum amount to do it, like paracetamol more doesn't equal better.

Interestingly I think there is a study out there that shows faster swings typically have faster rates of closure into and through impact. I haven't actually read it, so don't ask me to post it, plus it could just be stating the obvious, that a fast and a slow swing could both be square at impact and 5 degrees open xcm before impact, just the rate of closure is faster on the fast swing because it covers that x cm in less time.

More interestingly, Ping conducted a study on rate of closure, accuracy, handicap level and ball striking ability and found none of those are particularly correlated with rate of closure.

I didn't suggest they think about it through impact, it's not good to have many swing thoughts but it is good to understand what a good release is and to practice it.

 

[SocketRocket]

Are you on commission to say supinate ?

I may be but on the other hand I may not, although when supinating my lead supinating wrist the supination starts supinating and continues to supinate right through the supination zone in the way I've practised supinating the supination. Should be a few supinating bob in this post.

 

[DeanoMK]

First session back since the nail gun incident.

Pleased to say my baseline test came back with an average of 114mph. That works out as a carry distance of 274 yards.

Need to book some kind of trackman session in soon to do a test with my driver actually hitting balls too.

 

[VVega]

all tour pros supinate, all of them.

As with anything, there are notable exceptions…
DJ doesn’t (purple graph doesn’t go high positive).

 

[Springveldt]

After watching that TPI video I had a nearly 3 hour session on Trackman last night (trying to use up my 5 hours for the week ) with my focus on trying to load the right side.

Results for irons was eye opening, not many chunks at all but when I did it right it not only neutralised my over the top path but the ball went miles. My 8 iron is normally around 87mph, 110mph ball speed and 150 carry on my good hits. Last night I was around 89mph, 115mph ball speed and 158 carry on good hits. I even had one at 91.5mph, 119mph ball speed and a 167 yard carry. It wasn’t even a low spin flyer, spin was 6K and it went 114 feet in the air. Absolutely mental.

It didn’t really carry over to driver though, usual speed bouncing around 102-105mph with the fastest one at 107mph.

 

[mrio]

So your suggesting Ben Hogan was wrong when he showed how you should supinate the lead hand through impact?
If you don't do this you just won't be able to create good swing speeds, all tour pros supinate, all of them.

I am suggesting what I said in the previous post. Most of the time, it is wrong to look for a solution focusing on technical elements. However, people are attracted to those kinds of videos like moth to a flame.

Regarding why, check for example David Duval and imagine what would have been of his excellent ball striking (best one in the world at certain moments) if he trained that "supination" instead of his more correct swing though (for him) explained here

Almost anyone that focus on something like "all pros supinate so I need to train it" is going to waste a lot of hours of practice sadly.

 

[mrio]

Sorry for the previous discussion! An update of my speed training!

Sadly, I have lost a bit of swing speeds this weeks and I barely touch 130 mph with green and 120 mph with green. I am finishing the 2nd protocol and I am 5 mph less than my best. I dont know exactly why... I feel rested and doing ok on gym. Maybe it is caused by more hour sitting at the desk and less golf.

On the good side, it does not translate to the course, I keep hitting it very long and I have one of the best round this weekend under pressure so... very happy overall!

 

[mrio]

To whoever has time, I always recomend this golf article by Adam Young, it has helped me a lot.

 

[Golf is fun]

To whoever has time, I always recomend this golf article by Adam Young, it has helped me a lot.

I really like that article, it kind of ties in with the thread I made about teaching being too technical. The data itself is useful, but there is a difference between trying to replicate the data point and trying to hit a golf ball different ways and seeing what data point it produces.