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shivas irons said:
Dont know what RAF you where in but all the military personal get CRT (council tax relief) which has been doubled since 2011,
£95 a month for bedsit CT rubbish, I pay £80 on a two bedroom house.
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CRT applies only to personnel on operational service abroad. At the risk of provoking action from the mods, get your facts right before you go near a keyboard.
 
shivas irons said:
Nowdays there seems to be a lot of military charities around and I just wondered what peoples opinions of them are, personally I think its a persons choice to join up but in doing so they must accept the consequences and outcome associated with that desicion which may include permanent injury.My father was in the RAF for 38 years and we had a good life on it as do the military personnel on an Army base I live near, they benefit from subsidised housing no council tax and and a comfortable life being in the military, theres plenty on new cars parked up on the married quarters and its a world away from the poverty many endure on civvy street.My problem is this, these people have a good life in the military but when things go wrong they expect help when it was their choice to take an occupation with the obvious risks, there were many soldiers in the 1st and 2nd world wars who didnt live a great military life and when injured in battle just got on with it when they returned to civilian life they were soldiers.As ive said you take the risk you get on with it and should you expect the publics help?,ok somebodys got to defend the country but its part and parcel of that job that there could be dire consequences and thats the risk you take signing up, their soldiers they go into battle thats the profession and the chosen risk they have taken in life.I personally would prefer to see peoples charity donations go to the homeless,children who need it or the rspca, opinions guys?
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Wow!!! I really hope you are either fishing or on the sauce.

have you served your country? I guess not based on your post. I also haven't but I support the troops where I can through H4H, poppy appeal etc. For my money, the troops are underpaid, expected to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary, and very badly supported (if supported at all) when they encounter issues following active service.

Sounds like you're having a rant because you have to pay council tax and don't have a nice house and a nice car like a minority who live on a base near you. But then again I suppose you have the luxury of not being sent across the world to risk your life protecting the rest of us.

Before hitting the post button ive just read your post again and for once I am rendered speechless.
 
shivas irons said:
Nowdays there seems to be a lot of military charities around and I just wondered what peoples opinions of them are, personally I think its a persons choice to join up but in doing so they must accept the consequences and outcome associated with that desicion which may include permanent injury.My father was in the RAF for 38 years and we had a good life on it as do the military personnel on an Army base I live near, they benefit from subsidised housing no council tax and and a comfortable life being in the military, theres plenty on new cars parked up on the married quarters and its a world away from the poverty many endure on civvy street.My problem is this, these people have a good life in the military but when things go wrong they expect help when it was their choice to take an occupation with the obvious risks, there were many soldiers in the 1st and 2nd world wars who didnt live a great military life and when injured in battle just got on with it when they returned to civilian life they were soldiers.As ive said you take the risk you get on with it and should you expect the publics help?,ok somebodys got to defend the country but its part and parcel of that job that there could be dire consequences and thats the risk you take signing up, their soldiers they go into battle thats the profession and the chosen risk they have taken in life.I personally would prefer to see peoples charity donations go to the homeless,children who need it or the rspca, opinions guys?
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lol,you certainly know how to pick a fight!
 
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Making donations to a charity is optional. If you don't agree with a charity then don't donate.
Really not sure what you hoped to achieve with this thread:confused:
 
Shivas

What in tarnation triggered this thread? :confused:

Has your Daughter/Sister just been gazumped by some military bod for a house?

Or Mother/Sister passed shunted down a priority list for an operation or place in a home?

Turned down as a Caddy at Nayland in favour of an ex-Serviceman?

You've expressed some weird opinions in previous threads, but this thread takes the biscuit!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
They get council tax relief when they are out of the country on operations as well as relief on properties they own but can't live in due to being posted away

And yes I paid that for my room.

I'm actually stating facts from experience - your is just total nonsense ( which is your theme for this thread )
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You stating facts from an ex serviceman point of view and cant see the other side of the argument.
Whats your opinion on this Liverpoolphil,I work in Security and get a decent rate but many guys who have an SIA licence are paid the minimum wage thats right £6.50 an hour (recently gone up to that)with no subsidised housing etc, need tax credits to survive and drive wrecks,guys in this industry have been shot,had cars driven at them at night club entrances causing massive injury, attacked with machetes and lost limbs and suffered psycological problems through their work and had to give up and what help do they get? Sweet FA, its a risky job but they get on with it, opinion Phil?????
 
Foxholer said:
Shivas

What in tarnation triggered this thread? :confused:

Has your Daughter/Sister just been gazumped by some military bod for a house?

Or Mother/Sister passed shunted down a priority list for an operation or place in a home?

Turned down as a Caddy at Nayland in favour of an ex-Serviceman?

You've expressed some weird opinions in previous threads, but this thread takes the biscuit!
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Perhaps we should start a new thread with a competition to find the best suggestions for what might have set the OP off.
 
shivas irons said:
You stating facts from an ex serviceman point of view and cant see the other side of the argument.
Whats your opinion on this Liverpoolphil,I work in Security and get a decent rate but many guys who have an SIA licence are paid the minimum wage thats right £6.50 an hour (recently gone up to that)with no subsidised housing etc, need tax credits to survive and drive wrecks,guys in this industry have been shot,had cars driven at them at night club entrances causing massive injury, attacked with machetes and lost limbs and suffered psycological problems through their work and had to give up and what help do they get? Sweet FA, its a risky job but they get on with it, opinion Phil?????
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Sorry but they are not serving this country ! They are not putting their lives on the line for the country - chalk and cheese.

There is zero comparison and it's disgusting you are even trying to justify yourself.

If you want to start a charity to help people who work in the private security sector then away you go
 
shivas irons said:
You stating facts from an ex serviceman point of view and cant see the other side of the argument.
Whats your opinion on this Liverpoolphil,I work in Security and get a decent rate but many guys who have an SIA licence are paid the minimum wage thats right £6.50 an hour (recently gone up to that)with no subsidised housing etc, need tax credits to survive and drive wrecks,guys in this industry have been shot,had cars driven at them at night club entrances causing massive injury, attacked with machetes and lost limbs and suffered psycological problems through their work and had to give up and what help do they get? Sweet FA, its a risky job but they get on with it, opinion Phil?????
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That's no reason to attack the Military!
 
A bit of bullying going on here folks.
I get Shivas's point and, as I said, it's a numbers thing.
Anyone know how much the Poppy appeal raises anually?
Anyone know how many UK injured service men and women need care in 2014 compared to 1980.

I know the H4H thing came about because of a shameful lack of government funding to look after our injured troops.
At the same time our troops were given poor quality armour and equipment.
I fully support H4H, but think that as a duty of care it should be funded by the taxpayer and not a charity.

BTW there are many UK workers who put their lives on the line to protect and serve the public.
Miners, Police, NHS staff. Social workers and Doormen for starters.
 
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Personally I give out of my salary to a young carers charity and a cancer charity. One because I know several people who have had cancer and chances are someone in my family will suffer from it at some time, and the other because I personally think young carers are the bravest and most selfless people on the planet. No one should miss out on a proper childhood, but these people mostly do to look after others.

I also make sure I buy several poppies every year and put a decent amount into every collection I see selling them. Plus end up contributing to comic and sports relief when they show the sad films which I know is emotional blackmail, but it works, so why not.

I suppose in a way I am doing this because I tend to try and help people who have got in a situation through no fault of their own, people who never had a fair chance in life.

There are so many deserving causes out there so people should give based on their values and beliefs, you can't really compare or rank one against another.
 
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All the people who are critical of me on here can you respond to my last post number 52...
RAF Wattisham Phil RAF left in the early 90's now an army base.
 
rosecott said:
Perhaps we should start a new thread with a competition to find the best suggestions for what might have set the OP off.
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Pound in 50% to closest and 50% to H4H! :rofl:

I think the post a couple down from yours might give a clue though!

shivas irons said:
All the people who are critical of me on here can you respond to my last post number 52...
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Been there done that!

Now you explain how they are comparable?

How about Mining charities - fighting for those with all sorts of incapacitating issues!

And the question has to be asked why are the perpetrators of the crimes against the Security folk able to do so?
 
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