Migrant problem in Kent/Sussex

[Fade and Die]

That's where subject like immigration on here get twisted the usual crowd jump on and assume anyone being more liberal is supporting illegal immigration, im not supporting it at all. It needs better governance in France to deal with what's happening there before they get this far. But what I am for is helping people in need and if they've got through and are risking their lives then I feel we should help in some way if their plight is determined to be genuine.

But we all have our own opinions and at least we can say we had a decent debate about it ??

Good debating.???

 

[Deleted member 16999]

One night, try 12 weeks basic and it was the same S Hole in the 70's

1870’s? Asking for a friend.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That's where subject like immigration on here get twisted the usual crowd jump on and assume anyone being more liberal is supporting illegal immigration, im not supporting it at all. It needs better governance in France to deal with what's happening there before they get this far. But what I am for is helping people in need and if they've got through and are risking their lives then I feel we should help in some way if their plight is determined to be genuine.

But we all have our own opinions and at least we can say we had a decent debate about it ??

The issue starts with the op, and I mean the source and not the forum member.

Society has become so decisive now that certain media outlets, groups, etc on the extreme right and left of politics, can publish justified decent articles and purely based on them I will immediately take it as an extreme view that is looking to cause trouble.

You are correct in that anyone seen defending the migrants are immediately seen as liberals and some would willing let them all drown and not lose a wink of sleep.

Illegal immigrants is a massive problem, but spinning a story about the French Navy is not the way to sort it.

Unfortunately it is only going to get worse and sympathy for the genuine amongst them will only lessen over time.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Is there any reason that the migrants couldn't be picked up by UK vessels and then (with the agreement of the French) sailed back to a French port? Have an agreement with the French government that we, along with the rest of Europe, will take our fair share of any of those that prove to be genuine after they have been processed in France.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Is there any reason that the migrants couldn't be picked up by UK vessels and then (with the agreement of the French) sailed back to a French port? Have an agreement with the French government that we, along with the rest of Europe, will take our fair share of any of those that prove to be genuine after they have been processed in France.

They ask for political asylum as soon as they are on “British Soil”, we are then legally bound to process that request.

 

[ColchesterFC]

They ask for political asylum as soon as they are on “British Soil”, we are then legally bound to process that request.

I assume that includes UK waters? Which would make my suggestion unworkable. Maybe we should agree with the French to allow our boats to pick them up just over the border in French waters. Then when they ask for asylum we would legally have to take them back to France.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I assume that includes UK waters? Which would make my suggestion unworkable. Maybe we should agree with the French to allow our boats to pick them up just over the border in French waters. Then when they ask for asylum we would legally have to take them back to France.

Our boats are “British Soil” once we help them aboard we’re knackered.
If a boat capsizes while being escorted by the French and rescued by the French, they’d be taken back to France.

 

[Old Skier]

Like many on here, I have travelled all over Europe and I really don't understand why migrants and illegal immigrants think the U.K. has more to offer than the rest of Europe.

 

[Beezerk]

Our boats are “British Soil” once we help them aboard we’re knackered.
If a boat capsizes while being escorted by the French and rescued by the French, they’d be taken back to France.

So in reality, the photo could be just the French making sure they were safe in the water? If it capsized they would rescue them and take them back to France.
Are the French navy compelled to round up illegal vessels if that makes sense?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So in reality, the photo could be just the French making sure they were safe in the water? If it capsized they would rescue them and take them back to France.
Are the French navy compelled to round up illegal vessels if that makes sense?

Yes, Unless they have proof a boat is stolen French property they can only follow in case it goes wrong.

The “boat” maybe unseaworthy, but if the people on it don’t ask for rescue, the French can’t make them.

 

[CliveW]

Like many on here, I have travelled all over Europe and I really don't understand why migrants and illegal immigrants think the U.K. has more to offer than the rest of Europe.

Because they see the UK and US through the media.

 

[DanFST]

Because they see the UK and US through the media.

Show them a couple of threads on here, they'll not want to come!

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes, Unless they have proof a boat is stolen French property they can only follow in case it goes wrong.

The “boat” maybe unseaworthy, but if the people on it don’t ask for rescue, the French can’t make them.

Naval ships can send a boarding crew onto any vessel considered suspicious and check doccumentation and proof of purpose. If the occupants are considered to be acting illegally or without suitable proof of identity they can be arrested and removed from the vessel.

 

[drdel]

Families save up to pay traffickers for a son to do the trip to UK in the hope they can get in under the 'family' rights.

Traffickers 'pressurise' French fishermen to sell their boats or they borrow them. Its a well financed and organised business.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Naval ships can send a boarding crew onto any vessel considered suspicious and check doccumentation and proof of purpose. If the occupants are considered to be acting illegally or without suitable proof of identity they can be arrested and removed from the vessel.

As already established, the French could do a lot of things, but do you really think they wish to risk any of their personnel boarding an already overloaded boat and then force them back to France?

For the record: I am totally against these migrants coming to the UK via this method.

Having knee jerk reactions to one video isn’t going to stop them trying and I doubt the French have enough vessels to stop every boat.

Again, Can you imagine the outcry if just 1 migrant drowned after the French authorities tried to intervene?

The French need to be pressurised in to doing more to stop the organised criminals and the migrants getting on the boats.

 

[Hobbit]

Why should the French care? Sounds harsh, but every illegal that lands on our shores is one less for them to deal with.

Perhaps as the UK pays the French over £20m a year the French should do more. And if they aren't going to do their job, perhaps the UK should stop paying the money over?

 

[Hobbit]

A question for folks that may know. What happens to migrants who come across in boats? They get picked up by the authorities mid channel but we don't hear what happens to them after that. How many stay in the country, what percentage are removed? (in effect, is this method of entering ultimately a succesful one?)

I'm not looking for a right or wrong answer to whether migrants should come in, I'm looking for a practical answer.

A common tactic is for the immigrant to not declare which country they were originally from. How do you send them back if you don't know their country of origin?

 

[SocketRocket]

As already established, the French could do a lot of things, but do you really think they wish to risk any of their personnel boarding an already overloaded boat and then force them back to France?

For the record: I am totally against these migrants coming to the UK via this method.

Having knee jerk reactions to one video isn’t going to stop them trying and I doubt the French have enough vessels to stop every boat.

Again, Can you imagine the outcry if just 1 migrant drowned after the French authorities tried to intervene?

The French need to be pressurised in to doing more to stop the organised criminals and the migrants getting on the boats.

I agree. Also, as I have stated previously, France is acting in a disgusting manner by allowing these people to live in such poor conditions and allowing them to remain in their country without processing their status.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Perhaps as the UK pays the French over £20m a year the French should do more. And if they aren't going to do their job, perhaps the UK should stop paying the money over?

It was tongue in cheek Bri,obviously they do care as they are escorting some of these boats in case they get in to trouble.

 

[Griffsters]

Silly question time.
Apart from the Guido Fawkes website, what is the reason for a few people claiming the "right wing" thing?

Guido, Farage and Hartley-Brewer and their cling ons all need thorough and instant fact checking for everything they spout. Normally its out of context and attention seeking clickbait. It works remarkably well unfortunately.