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Oh sorry, guess the pros that play with him week in and week out don't know what they are talking about then. Maybe Garcia would have been a better example?
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Oh sorry, guess the pros that play with him week in and week out don't know what they are talking about then. Maybe Garcia would have been a better example?
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Or ignore the pro figures and it could be used to suggest somebody learning to play or wanting to improve should concentrate more time on the long game.
louise_a
Money List Winner
I can only base my reply on my own game, but over the last couple of weeks I have been driving well and have buffered once and had a cut.
On Sunday at Royal Lytham, my driving let me down and I didn't even break 100.
Today I sorted my driving out and parred 5 out of the 12 holes holes I played.
So for me if my driving is poor I generally wont score well
On Sunday at Royal Lytham, my driving let me down and I didn't even break 100.
Today I sorted my driving out and parred 5 out of the 12 holes holes I played.
So for me if my driving is poor I generally wont score well
GreggerKBR
Head Pro
Really like this quote! Nice!
Mark Broadie stuff is all about "shots gained/lost" against the "field".
Losing shots off the tee for OOB etc. is catastrophic for every category of player, as is missing from inside 2ft-3ft.
For us amateuar/average golfers what that means is avoiding dropping a shot
where most of the (comparative) field would/should NOT drop a shot.
So on the short game if it's and easy up & down and you don't do that you're losing ground to your field.
What can be reasonably expected... and the same applies to the long game and the putting game.
But obviously some will gain shots in areas of strengths and lose shots in areas of weakness relevant to their "field".
And some will have more short game shots if their standard of play is not hitting >70% GIR.
In short, YES!
It is all about the short game. And the long game. And putting.
If you want to beat the field!
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Long game will determine how high your score is. Short game how low your score is.
I think one of the premises of Every Shot Counts was that you actually gained more shots if you could bomb it 330yards rather than 280yards (as a tour pro) as you would then be going in to greens with much shorter clubs.
I think one of the premises of Every Shot Counts was that you actually gained more shots if you could bomb it 330yards rather than 280yards (as a tour pro) as you would then be going in to greens with much shorter clubs.
As a club golfer of mediocrity, I can usually get it from A to B without too many issues but making a score with a quality short game from 60 yards and in is the problem and it will usually still be 3 shots (or more if the pitching is off point again) so it's definitely the one area that would embellish my card if I can get better
Dasit
Tour Rookie
If we all player the same tees as professionals the long game would be much more important
if the pros played our tees the short game would matter much more, as every par 4 almost would be a short shot on
if the pros played our tees the short game would matter much more, as every par 4 almost would be a short shot on
I score well when I hit the short stuff off the tee. I score badly when I'm hacking out of the cabbage. A decent short game can help but if you're trying to get up and down 15 times in a round it ain't gonna happen...
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Many's the time I've saved par by canning an outrageous putt.
I don't think I've ever made par when I've played 3 off the tee.
I don't think I've ever made par when I've played 3 off the tee.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Horses for courses
Even as a high handicap player I'm disappointed if I don't hit 13/14 FIR in a round because I know I cant build a score from the clag or taking 3 off the tee
Adversely I don't hit it far topping out around 200yrds on a good day with driver so I am pleased with even 3/14 GIR (prefer to think about nett GIR during a round) and it means my short irons are in use more than driver, mid irons etc
Because each shot counts as 'one' on the card regardless of club it means after my putter my 8I-PW shot is the one I take more of than any other, it stands to reason its the most crucial shot simply because there's more of them to start with... but the tee shot must be in play in the first place, its a symbiotic thing
If I somehow added 40 yards to my tee shot I'd look at the number of shots again to see whats important for me
What the most important shot would be for my PP's or any other golfer I don't much care about
Even as a high handicap player I'm disappointed if I don't hit 13/14 FIR in a round because I know I cant build a score from the clag or taking 3 off the tee
Adversely I don't hit it far topping out around 200yrds on a good day with driver so I am pleased with even 3/14 GIR (prefer to think about nett GIR during a round) and it means my short irons are in use more than driver, mid irons etc
Because each shot counts as 'one' on the card regardless of club it means after my putter my 8I-PW shot is the one I take more of than any other, it stands to reason its the most crucial shot simply because there's more of them to start with... but the tee shot must be in play in the first place, its a symbiotic thing
If I somehow added 40 yards to my tee shot I'd look at the number of shots again to see whats important for me
What the most important shot would be for my PP's or any other golfer I don't much care about
BTatHome
Tour Winner
Not sure i can see the comparison being made for your pros and amateurs. The pros play on courses that are generally hundreds of yards longer, they hit the ball so much further on all their shots too. A pro would very rarely hit a ball to purposely be within 60 yds as any layup is gonna want to be further out to a preferred yardage. Amateurs don't generally think about this and smash it as far as they can to get closer to the green, without a care to the eventual distance.
Scoobiesnax
Assistant Pro
Being a high handicapper I can agree with what Louise (<----a lot better than me) has said. I find that If I get a drive/tee shot away with good distance and direction through out my round my score will always be around my handicap or better.
GreggerKBR
Head Pro
The subject was this table which is "within" 60 yards", excluding putts.
It's just "stats" but the debate on these stats is relevant as a comparison only.
Pro's hit a lot more shots nearer the target, hit more greens etc. as this table shows.
But actually it's not stating is short game more/less important - the question posed by OP! "maybe it's not all about the short game"
But 7-shots a round is vital to a pro and 10-shots to an 80 golfer (me) is huge! and IMHO 16-shots a rounds are vital to a "100-golfer"
so yes, it is a lot about the short game... (and long game, and putting and... etc.)
unless you are a 100 golfer that doesn't see dropping 16 shots (16%) as a problem...
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I remember a previous thread on here about distance off the tee, a lot of big hitters reckoned that it doesn't matter where they hit it off the tee, they can still make a score using their short games to recover.
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That's the mindset a lot of Pro's use.
As others have stated, different elements are more important at different times and our focus on said areas also change as we improve.
Kaizer_Soze
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I'd say that the main difference between my game now (11.5 handicap) and say 25 - 30 years ago (6-7 handicap) is down to the shots from around the 60-80 yard mark, far too often I take 3 or more to get down, as a result this is the area of my game I've decided to work on most this season (along with putting).
As club golfers we will have far more of this length of shot due to mis-hits, playing recovery shots from rough / trees and general hole length as opposed to the tour pro's.
As club golfers we will have far more of this length of shot due to mis-hits, playing recovery shots from rough / trees and general hole length as opposed to the tour pro's.
ScienceBoy
Money List Winner
I've holed out from 140 yards for a par before... after going OOB and 3 off the tee.
Not sure too many weekend golfers would make a score from the woods and trouble in the same way these tour players seem capable of doing. Distance is great but surely it has to be aligned to a degree of accuracy too. Three off the tee after bashing it 280-300 yards OOB or into the trees isn't going to help anyone
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My point exactly. Many's the time I've played 3 mediocre shots but holed a long putt to save par. It is very difficult to score well without a good short game
