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Saw this picture on Twitter, found it interesting.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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guest100718
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yeah lets have debate about short game vs long....
SugarPenguin
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Iv always been a big believer that anybody with a 20+ handicap would be better focusing on their long game.
Think i I did a thread on this s while back
Think i I did a thread on this s while back
ultimately, all parts of the game are important.
no good having a great short game if you are 3 off the tee all the time or being able to hit 300 yards drives, only to duff your 2nd or 3 putt every green.
no good having a great short game if you are 3 off the tee all the time or being able to hit 300 yards drives, only to duff your 2nd or 3 putt every green.
Driven2Distraction
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It's about knowing your own game and where you fritter away the most shots
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Why look at it that way? I was more surprised by the low number of shots the Pro has, I thought it would be higher.
As Patrick has put, all areas are important, feel free to ignore any thread you've no interest in, or even better, start a thread we'd all be happy to contribute through :thup:
Dasit
Tour Rookie
I agree Paul
Short game is important but it is long game that really separates the low handicappers/great players.
Crossfield talks about it in his latest vlog. He played Westwood, who was able to hit driver then wedge into greens on long par 4s, while Crossfield was hitting driver then hybrid...Over enough holes there will be a noticeable scoring difference from those approach shots.
Short game is important but it is long game that really separates the low handicappers/great players.
Crossfield talks about it in his latest vlog. He played Westwood, who was able to hit driver then wedge into greens on long par 4s, while Crossfield was hitting driver then hybrid...Over enough holes there will be a noticeable scoring difference from those approach shots.
just out of interest are these US figures??
I would also say this shows how important short game is if there are this amount of misses per round even down to the pros
hairball_89
Club Champion
I'm not really surprised by this at all.
Take my last game - most holes I was hitting 3w (my driver is a tad erratic) then mid iron into most greens. Most of the time either the club or the aim were out. As such, I was hitting a lot of wedges from around the green. My short game is perhaps the best part of my game. But I get a lot of practice at it! If I can sort my driving out, a combination of a touch more distance with the 3w and/or being confident with driver at the tee (that it's not going into a farm in the next post code) I'd often be hitting a short iron into a green.
Tour pros know their distances inside out. Their short irons are so accurate (most of the time) and so much longer than most, if not all, on here that the only shots they usually have inside 60 yards is when they miss a green. To make that a fairer comparison, you'd probably have to look at 20+ handicappers shots from inside 60yds and scale that out to Tour pros inside 120.
Take my last game - most holes I was hitting 3w (my driver is a tad erratic) then mid iron into most greens. Most of the time either the club or the aim were out. As such, I was hitting a lot of wedges from around the green. My short game is perhaps the best part of my game. But I get a lot of practice at it! If I can sort my driving out, a combination of a touch more distance with the 3w and/or being confident with driver at the tee (that it's not going into a farm in the next post code) I'd often be hitting a short iron into a green.
Tour pros know their distances inside out. Their short irons are so accurate (most of the time) and so much longer than most, if not all, on here that the only shots they usually have inside 60 yards is when they miss a green. To make that a fairer comparison, you'd probably have to look at 20+ handicappers shots from inside 60yds and scale that out to Tour pros inside 120.
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guest100718
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Its been done to death.
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Thanks :thup:
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Mark Broadie is the guy who wrote "Every Shot Counts" and I believe he's based in the states so I would guess they are.
Marshy77
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Don't read the thread then?
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I'm not
ScienceBoy
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The only reason I got to 11 was due to my short game.
Now my focus is on the long game as my short game could only take me so far.
I guess for a majority the focus goes from long to short and back to long again as you find your limit for your current game.
Maybe you are just at that crossover point.
I guess one day you will be back to the short game as it's holding back scores with your improved long game.
Now my focus is on the long game as my short game could only take me so far.
I guess for a majority the focus goes from long to short and back to long again as you find your limit for your current game.
Maybe you are just at that crossover point.
I guess one day you will be back to the short game as it's holding back scores with your improved long game.
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I've played with a few very low handicappers that are a bit wild in the long game dept but I've never played with a very low handicapper that has a rubbish short game. Interesting also that when pros talk about their peers, they usually refer to good short games rather than long game.
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You're still peeking aren't you?
Drive for show and putt for dough, still stands up imo. Basically saying short game matters more, you can miss a drive 20 yards left or right or be 40 yards short and still be ok, you can miss a putt on a miniscule error factor. That allowable error factor increases the longer in distance the shot.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Just my opinion, but I find if your long game is rubbish, a good short game can save you a few shots, but even if your long game is good, a bad short game will still ruin it. As a high handicapper, it's only when my chipping and putting is on point that I've had my best rounds and lowest scores.
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Can you define what you mean by long game? Is it off the tee or 2nd shot into the green?
Driven2Distraction
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Errant drives for us club hackers will COST us shots - a decent short game will help minimise the damage
Pros and decent amateurs very rarely lose balls off the tee, smash it OOB etc etc, so their thing to improve scores is short game
My own game in Saturdays medal was the tee ball that hurt, sub 30 putts and decent scrambling held my score together and earned a small cut, but the way to lower the score was to eliminate the errant drives - for me
As i wrote before -if you really know your own game, you know where to improve
Pros and decent amateurs very rarely lose balls off the tee, smash it OOB etc etc, so their thing to improve scores is short game
My own game in Saturdays medal was the tee ball that hurt, sub 30 putts and decent scrambling held my score together and earned a small cut, but the way to lower the score was to eliminate the errant drives - for me
As i wrote before -if you really know your own game, you know where to improve
