User20204
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Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser.
Matt Wallace - again!
- Thread starter Jacko_G
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Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser.
Jacko_G
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Jack, Tom Watson, Arnold..all gracious in defeat.
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Is there any other videos ?
Lots of talk on Twitter ranging from punching him in the ribs to full blown swearing and screaming in his face but the only video being shown is this
Wonder if people are overreacting a touch
This is the worst quote in sport. It provides an excuse for petulance, bad behaviour, unprofessionalism.
HomerJSimpson
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Why do we need to see video evidence. If there has been some form of physical altercation it will have been seen by the ET and I have no doubt Wallace will be questioned about it. All these demands on social media to see what happened smacks of some kind of witch hunt forming. He clearly has anger issues under pressure and as I've said before the ET and their players committee have a strong code of conduct and if he has violated that then he'll be dealt with under that depending on the severity of the offence
happyhacker
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You can see on the sky coverage Wallace's right arm either digs caddy in the ribs or pulls his bib down. Arm movement and caddy movement both visible clearly (and one is a cause of the other) but the contact isn't visible.
happyhacker
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Orikoru
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The caddie literally has zero reaction to it though, so I highly doubt it was a 'punch to the ribs'. Surely any caddie that gets punched by their player is walking off the course as that would be ridiculous.
Best thing anyone could do is actually ask the caddie's opinion on all this - has anyone bothered doing that?
happyhacker
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Their are varying degrees of a punch. I seriously doubt whatever it was, was done with any intent to hurt the caddie. He wouldn't be that stupid. It was a poor expression of frustration.
Asking the caddie is pointless imo. If he wants to continue working with Matt (a profitable bag to have just now) then he has nothing to benefit from this. The verbal abuse is bad enough (but a well known occupational hazard for a lot of these guys), the mild 'whatever' else this was will just get filed away.
Asking the caddie is pointless imo. If he wants to continue working with Matt (a profitable bag to have just now) then he has nothing to benefit from this. The verbal abuse is bad enough (but a well known occupational hazard for a lot of these guys), the mild 'whatever' else this was will just get filed away.
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Doesn’t really show anything does it
Matt Wallace is being battered all over social media at the moment based on him talking to his caddy ( the actual words being said are unknown ) , and a pulling of the bib or punch in the ribs ?!
But right now the actual “evidence†is not really conclusive enough for him to be getting the flack he is , it seems it’s no different to what we saw from Spieth last week
HomerJSimpson
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The point is (and post #23 you want say "are there other videos") he is now getting a hard time on social media for what at best seems inconclusive and a non-event and at worse akin to what Spieth did and the way players (Seve being perhaps the most obvious example) have spoke to caddies for decades. If they want to work on a good bag and earn good money they'd be a fool to make anything of it and as there is such a social media circus forming I am sure the ET and the players committee will look at it and speak to Wallace. Why we need any other evidence to try and confirm what happened seems meaningless and what is it going to prove to the golf fan other than Wallace has a temper and treats his caddy poorly
Orikoru
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That's fine, but if he's willing to put up with it to make coin, who are we to get irate on his behalf? He is free to walk away if it's not acceptable. If he doesn't walk away then he deems it acceptable. It's that simple.
Jacko_G
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Jacko_G
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Did Spieth use/show any physical aggression to his caddy?
happyhacker
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Sorry Orikou, that's nonsense. Abuse in any form, physical, verbal or emotional should be called out always. Just because a person is happy to stay with their abuser doesn't make it right (be it spousal, employer, parental etc). Turning a blind eye isn't an option.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
How can you compare this to an abused spouse??
What a joke. His caddie has caddied for several top players over the years, he could easily walk away and get employment elsewhere. Unless you are suggesting Wallace has power over him, because the caddie's love for him is so strong?
Jacko_G
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How can you compare this to an abused spouse??
Do you go to work and expect to be verbally or physically abused?
happyhacker
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Spousal abuse was an example or abuse that shouldn't be tolerated. As was employer, parental etc etc. The point, which you miss, is that no abuse should be tolerated or ignored just because the abused person is willing to tolerate it.
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It doesn't show anything???
What does it show then ? You can’t see either Wallace hands or the caddies hands - so what exactly has Wallace done then ?
What physical aggression has been used exactly ?!
https://www.bunkered.co.uk/golf-news/watch-jordan-spieth-loses-cool-with-caddie-michael-greller
That’s the exchange between Spieth and his caddy
From the videos being seen of Wallace there doesn’t seem to be much difference
Pin-seeker
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Bang out of order getting in the caddy’s face like that.
Tosser.
Tosser.
