Matchplay against women!

[Three]

Then why do a lot of score card holders come with cards printed like I just posted? Surely they are more likely to be correct ...

All comps I have played in with 3/4 handicaps work like this

The chart is showing you how to work out the allowance based on different formats.
If you use 3/4 for matchplay, the higher handicap receives 3/4 of the difference in playing handicaps.
The lady today should have received 4 shots as 5 × 3/4 = 3.75.
If it's .5 or .75 it's rounded up, so 3/4 of 6 is 4.5 which is 5.

If it's .25 it's rounded down.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

The chart is showing you how to work out the allowance based on different formats.
If you use 3/4 for matchplay, the higher handicap receives 3/4 of the difference in playing handicaps.
The lady today should have received 4 shots as 5 × 3/4 = 3.75.
If it's .5 or .75 it's rounded up, so 3/4 of 6 is 4.5 which is 5.

If it's .25 it's rounded down.

I was shown to read it wrong by the event host

So all these years she has been scoring the match plays wrong

It's going to be fun telling her

 

[Three]

Maybe the organiser has done this wrong.. (the lady involved in the match) so after all these years of running her society (15) no1 has pointed out to her that it is the handicap difference then 3/4 of that and not the why I was saying

I actually am happy to be wrong because I can't wait to rub it in next event

Never underestimate the power of lady golfers to concoct weird and not so wonderful ways of doing things....

 

[Norrin Radd]

I was shown to read it wrong by the event host

So all these years she has been scoring the match plays wrong

It's going to be fun telling her

you got it PAUL,,I bet she wont like it though.

 

[Three]

I was shown to read it wrong by the event host

So all these years she has been scoring the match plays wrong

It's going to be fun telling her

Lol good luck with that mate 👍😨

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Lol good luck with that mate 👍😨

My mate who's been in the society since day one said that's how it's always been.. oh the irony of always being pedantic on rules but not implementing them correctly

 

[duncan mackie]

My mate who's been in the society since day one said that's how it's always been.. oh the irony of always being pedantic on rules but not implementing them correctly

The word 'diff' top left of the chart is a really strong clue....😎

 

[Three]

My mate who's been in the society since day one said that's how it's always been.. oh the irony of always being pedantic on rules but not implementing them correctly

Societies can do what they want really as it's not official, but it's definitely not the way a club matchplay would work according to the proper rules.
I think everywhere does 100% difference now anyway.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

The word 'diff' top left of the chart is a really strong clue....😎

That was the penny drop moment for me when I looked again and I was like oh for god sake I've made myself look a mug for trusting someone else's method of interpretation

Never again

 

[duncan mackie]

Well, come to Germany. Here the 3/4 rule still stands. But then again, our handicaps go up to 54, for both men and women. Plus slope index might grant them shots on top of that. Have fun playing with someone who might have three shots on you on a hole!:ears:

I thought Germany used the EGA handicapping; and last time I looked that had gone to 100% for better ball as well as singles?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Societies can do what they want really as it's not official, but it's definitely not the way a club matchplay would work according to the proper rules.
I think everywhere does 100% difference now anyway.

Another bug bear of mine when she moans about other societies handicaps I say but we aren't whiter than white we don't play full handicaps for match plays so we can't moan

 

[Norrin Radd]

i think you are going to have a problem getting them to see the light ,i would suggest taking them to the pro shop at your next event and then ask in front of the pro how to read the card .oh and have your phone recording it all to show everyone in the bar afterwards.:thup:

 

[Deleted member 21784]

i think you are going to have a problem getting them to see the light ,i would suggest taking them to the pro shop at your next event and then ask in front of the pro how to read the card .oh and have your phone recording it all to show everyone in the bar afterwards.:thup:

Apparently I'll pee off the low handicappers even more if I mention it because they will get less shots against the high handicappers

Their already on verge of walking over the amount of bandits who have rolled in recently

 

[Three]

Apparently I'll pee off the low handicappers even more if I mention it because they will get less shots against the high handicappers

Their already on verge of walking over the amount of bandits who have rolled in recently

The lowest handicap doesn't get any shots.
In your earlier example, the 18 hcp should give the 23 hcp 4 shots (if it's 3/4), they then play off scratch against each other except the higher hcp gets a shot on the holes that are SI 1, 2, 3 & 4.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I'm glad I stayed up and found out I was wrong as opposed to waking up to find out I was wrong lol

 

[Capella]

I thought Germany used the EGA handicapping; and last time I looked that had gone to 100% for better ball as well as singles?

The EGA handicap system, even though it is supposed to be the same everywhere, still does have differences between the countries. The maximum handicap allowance, for example, is different from country to country ... in Germany it is 54, in Denmark (afaik) it is 72, in Spain 42 etc. Same for the matchplay handicaps. In the official German rulebook it is still 3/4.

 

[TheDoctor]

I played in the first round of our mens singles matchplay the other night and we were playing off the white tees with full handicap difference so I was giving my opponent 5 shots

Fortunately he wasn't able to capitalise on mistakes that I made, especially on our 460yd par 4 12th where I won the hole with a scrambled bogey and managed to go on and win 4&3

As for delc, it sounds like sour grapes that he got beaten by a lady on the 18th, but having a match go that far seems to me that the handicap system works

 

[Robobum]

Thank you to delc for using the correct term "adjustment"
Any bloke who refers to "courtesy" shots gets short shrift from me!

So you're quite happy to receive courtesy shots but you just don't like the name 👌

 

[chellie]

Doesn't bother me if they're called courtesy shots.

In fact it was the other way around today where we played and I had to let HID have one shot.

 

[Foxholer]

thats not the formula we use

we use 3/4 of handicaps and play off them

so he was playing off 13.5 (playing 14) she was playing off 17.25 (17) so only 3 shots

Yes, I understand.
But it's just an arbitrary, made-up way with no reason or logic.
Why do people insist on trying to re-invent the wheel?

As for the strokes allocation, just do whatever, it's pointless trying to give advice.

its not made up its a recognised format

http://www.yourgolfsociety.com/media/society/1/downloads/9/1359998953.pdf

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What is wrong is the way you take 3/4 of each handicap, then round it up or down, then allocate the difference. That is just plain wrong.

It's no worse (or better!) than using 3/4 handicap in the first place - as, if handicaps are 'stable', that favours the lower handicappers!

As for the general Ladies v Men - and handicap adjustments. There are sound reasons why that happens - the difference in SSS between the 2 courses. The same would likely apply if, say, 2 men played a match but one played off the Yellows while the other played off the Whites! There's often 1 or maybe 2 (or more) difference in the SSS between those tees!
However, where the competitors actually play significantly different courses - with different SIs, or even Pars, on many of the holes - the situation becomes more complicated. I'm more of an advocate of playing a 'Stableford Match' in this situation, but generally 1 course (normally Men's) is chosen to use for 'the card - Par and SI'. Any abberations supposedly even out, but there are certainly likely to be more cases where the result of a hole is strongly weighted to one player or the other!