Match Play Conceding Hole

[Crazyface]

Yet another rules thing in match play. Today's question. Whilst on the green a pair conceded the hole and picked up as it was agreed they couldn't win it. We all picked up. Then, my dosey (is that how you spell it?) mate, said ooops I was putting for a seven. Now I had a makeable putt for a five to win the hole. But he then said, never mind we'll call it a half, which everyone was happy with, except me, COZ I WAS PUTTING FOR A FIVE, after performing a miracle second shot from the wrong fairway to get back in position. So was furious not to be allowed to putt out. BUT, can we actually just say oh well we'll call it a half? As they conceeded the hole. Or, is it ok becasue my dosey mate realised his mistake, and our opponents, and corrected it before teeing off on the next hole?

Hopw that reads ok.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Well it reads as a mess but once a hole is conceded that’s it

 

[jim8flog]

Once the hole has been conceded your putt would be considered a practice putt.

This assumes that the hole was conceded on the basis of correct information having been given regarding the number of shots having been played or the opponents working out themselves they cannot beat or draw with you even if you 2 putt.

 

[ManinBlack]

It sounds as if the hole was conceded due to incorrect information given by your partner on the number of strokes he had taken, although you don't make that clear. If this is the case you lose the hole., if not, you win it. Under no circumstances do you halve it.

 

[SteveJay]

It sounds as if the hole was conceded due to incorrect information given by your partner on the number of strokes he had taken, although you don't make that clear. If this is the case you lose the hole., if not, you win it. Under no circumstances do you halve it.

But does anyone have an obligation to declare how many shots they have had before holing out? I thought it was up to the opponents to keep track - I certainly do. I get that if asked you might say I have had 4 etc before putting, but if they didn't ask then I think the concession is still valid.

 

[ManinBlack]

But does anyone have an obligation to declare how many shots they have had before holing out? I thought it was up to the opponents to keep track - I certainly do. I get that if asked you might say I have had 4 etc before putting, but if they didn't ask then I think the concession is still valid.

Not enough info given by the OP but from what his partner said afterwards it sounded as if he'd misled their opponents

 

[jim8flog]

But does anyone have an obligation to declare how many shots they have had before
holing out? I thought it was up to the opponents to keep track - I certainly do. I get that if asked you might say I have had 4 etc before putting, but if they didn't ask then I think the concession is still valid.

Yes

3.2d
Responsibilities of Player and Opponent(1) Telling Opponent About Number of Strokes Taken. At any time during play of a hole or after the hole is completed, the opponent may ask the player for the number of strokes (including strokes made and penalty strokes) the player has taken on the hole.

 

[Steven Rules]

Once the hole had been conceded, that's it. It's over. The outcome of the concession stands.
A concession is final and cannot be declined or withdrawn. (Rule 3.2b(2))

Unless.......a player stated an incorrect number of strokes taken BEFORE the concession was made. (Rule 3.2d(1)) There is no indication in #1 that this was the case. Rather, the way I read #1, it seems to be a dawning realisation after the concession that somebody had mis-counted in their head. (If nobody asks for the number of strokes taken, there is no penalty for staying silent, except that a player must notify the opponent that the player has incurred a penalty as soon as reasonably possible. Rule 3.2d(2))

The penalty for stating an incorrect number of strokes is loss of hole. (Rule 3.2d(1))

As others have also said, the original scenario in #1 is not very clear. It would be clearer if it was set out something like this:

A and B were playing C and D in a four-ball match. A and B had holed out for an x. C could not get a half but D......etc. Who among A, B, C and D said what? When?

 

[SteveJay]

Yes

3.2d
Responsibilities of Player and Opponent(1) Telling Opponent About Number of Strokes Taken. At any time during play of a hole or after the hole is completed, the opponent may ask the player for the number of strokes (including strokes made and penalty strokes) the player has taken on the hole.

That's fine, but the OP didn't make it clear that the opponents had asked and were misinformed. That seemingly only came to light after the concession. If they conceded without asking then that must be their responsibility and the concession would stand.

 

[Crazyface]

Thanks for the replies. Do you know, I can't think if my partner had said or was asked how many shots he had taken. I was thinking about my putt. It all happened so quick and balls were picked up, so I picked mine up after a look at my partner. I'll ask him. Hang on

 

[Crazyface]

Well, I think he remembers it wrong. I think he was asked how many shots he'd taken and said x. Our opponents only had one ball on the green and couldn't beat him so conceded. I still had a 40cm putt for par beating everyone. Everyone picked up. Then, my mate did the, counting his strokes thing and said oh er, and found an extra shot. So then said we will call it half. But going off your replies, it appears we should have lost the hole for incorrect statement of shots played?

 

[salfordlad]

Well, I think he remembers it wrong. I think he was asked how many shots he'd taken and said x. Our opponents only had one ball on the green and couldn't beat him so conceded. I still had a 40cm putt for par beating everyone. Everyone picked up. Then, my mate did the, counting his strokes thing and said oh er, and found an extra shot. So then said we will call it half. But going off your replies, it appears we should have lost the hole for incorrect statement of shots played?

Yes, the correct treatment was you lost the hole when your partner's wrong reply caused the opponents to pick up (23.9a(2)/2). But then you all overrode the correct treatment by agreeing to a half. Your opponents could have sought a ruling prior to the first tee stroke on the next hole and had the result corrected but that window lapsed with a stroke.

 

[clubchamp98]

Well, I think he remembers it wrong. I think he was asked how many shots he'd taken and said x. Our opponents only had one ball on the green and couldn't beat him so conceded. I still had a 40cm putt for par beating everyone. Everyone picked up. Then, my mate did the, counting his strokes thing and said oh er, and found an extra shot. So then said we will call it half. But going off your replies, it appears we should have lost the hole for incorrect statement of shots played?

Why didn’t they ask you ?

More importantly why didn’t you speak up?

If you still have a putt to win the hole it dosnt matter how many your partner had taken!

Why didn’t you say anything like “ hang on I’ve got a putt to win”?

 

[Backache]

Why didn’t they ask you ?

More importantly why didn’t you speak up?

If you still have a putt to win the hole it dosnt matter how many your partner had taken!

Why didn’t you say anything like “ hang on I’ve got a putt to win”?

It wouldn't have actually made a difference would it? The incorrect information had been given and the hole conceded.

 

[Crazyface]

Why didn’t they ask you ?

More importantly why didn’t you speak up?

If you still have a putt to win the hole it dosnt matter how many your partner had taken!

Why didn’t you say anything like “ hang on I’ve got a putt to win”?

Well...I'm still a bit green with match play, and I thought once a hole was conceded that was it, so questioned my partner over allowing a half, which turns out to be incorrect. In fact it appears that all parties didn't know the correct ruling as no one pulled out the incorrect score thing. Just shows, people are playing the game with no knowledge of the actual rules. Bonkers really.

 

[nickjdavis]

We were 6 down stood on the 11th green in a seniors 4BBB friendly match yesterday.

My ball was maybe 3 1/2 ft from the hole, opponents maybe 2 1/2ft, both with a putt for a par.

As i walked up to the hole I heard, the word "good" and said "cheers". Opponent bent down to pick up his ball and I stopped him saying his putt wasnt conceded...he said that he'd just said "good - good" meaning that he was offering the half. I said sorry, I only heard the one good and thought he was (generously) saying my putt was good, rejected the offer and said we were 6 down and desperate and needed the holes....halves were no good to us. We had a laugh over the misunderstanding, I holed my putt, he missed his.

Didnt do us any good as we halved the next and lost the 13th.

 

[rulie]

When I'm refereeing match play, one of the things I tell the players on the first tee is "make your concessions clear to your opponent(s) and me".

 

[salfordlad]

What actually occurred in this match play four ball scenario has remained utterly unclear. If we can't get clear facts, we can't advise properly.

 

[Colin L]

When I'm refereeing match play, one of the things I tell the players on the first tee is "make your concessions clear to your opponent(s) and me".

Ditto. Also provisional balls.

 

[nickjdavis]

When I'm refereeing match play, one of the things I tell the players on the first tee is "make your concessions clear to your opponent(s) and me".

I dont think there can be anything clearer than... "pick that up" or "I concede that putt".

"That's good" is somewhat ambiguous....your opponent may well have been congratulating you on a 30ft putt lagged to 3ft.