davemc1
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Best to be careful what we say on this topic. It could get as controversial as the what biscuits are best thread...
richart
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You can say in public you have forgiven, but some things in my experience are unforgiveable.
chrisd
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He should never be forgiven, he has blood on his hands and never paid the price for what he did
Bunkermagnet
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Never liked him or his cohorts. Another use of religion to wage war and terror.
However I have to accept the peace process has given the Irish as a whole some semblance of peace and stability which is good and what Ireland needs, and for that McGuiness must be applauded.
I do think though a lot more credit needs to be given vioce to Mo Mowlam when she was the NI secretary, if ever there was a brave minister she was it.
As far as the digging for atrocities, I feel if one side is being pardoned so should the other. Wipe the slate clean if you want, just apply the same process to all parties.
What recent Afganistan inquiries have shown us that just as in politics, vested interests will always alter the outlook and colour the scene the way they want it coloured.
However I have to accept the peace process has given the Irish as a whole some semblance of peace and stability which is good and what Ireland needs, and for that McGuiness must be applauded.
I do think though a lot more credit needs to be given vioce to Mo Mowlam when she was the NI secretary, if ever there was a brave minister she was it.
As far as the digging for atrocities, I feel if one side is being pardoned so should the other. Wipe the slate clean if you want, just apply the same process to all parties.
What recent Afganistan inquiries have shown us that just as in politics, vested interests will always alter the outlook and colour the scene the way they want it coloured.
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The slate should have been wiped clean after the Saville Enquiry and Peace Process was concluded. Cannot have pardons on one side of the fence only.
Tashyboy
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Listening to my PP today he was a villain. to hear the comparisons between him and Mandela, I don't get.
Mandela was from a country where him and his people were the majority and persecuted for the colour of there skin. They were native to that country. They were supported throughout the world and not just with sanctions.
McGuiness and friends were not
Having said all that, I never have been a lover of violence to reach ones goal, especially when there are other means. Martin Luther King and Ghandi prove that
Mandela was from a country where him and his people were the majority and persecuted for the colour of there skin. They were native to that country. They were supported throughout the world and not just with sanctions.
McGuiness and friends were not
Having said all that, I never have been a lover of violence to reach ones goal, especially when there are other means. Martin Luther King and Ghandi prove that
Kellfire
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McGuinness was in a country where he was persecuted for his religion and political opinion. The fact he wasn't supported by the outside world was irrelevant to him.
MarkE
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He was a terrorist, end of story. Whatever he contributed to the peace process later in life was all on the back of the misery he inflicted on innocents in his formative years. Good riddance I say.
Foxholer
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Both villain AND (near) hero imo!
No different from some other 'terrorists' who morphed into political leaders - there are so many examples!!
However, comparison with Mandela is ridiculous! No-one else suffered over a quarter of a century of confinement in an obscene establishment, then emerged without bitterness eventually establishing a 'truth and reconciliation' regime! The greatest 'statesman' of our generation imo! Shame southern Africa has returned to the tribalism Wilbur Smith predicted!
jusme
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One mans terrorist is anothers.......
It never ceases to surprise me how we mostly all become entrenched into one opinion or another. There rarely seems room for, or desire even to consider that of another. So black and white in a grey world.
There are hundreds of thousands of people who consider him positively. It can't be ignored.
It never ceases to surprise me how we mostly all become entrenched into one opinion or another. There rarely seems room for, or desire even to consider that of another. So black and white in a grey world.
There are hundreds of thousands of people who consider him positively. It can't be ignored.
Beezerk
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Scum doesn't come close, I'll never forgive the Queen for shaking his hand, poor decision on her part.
stevek1969
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I was on Facebook earlier and people were calling him all sorts ,the question was asked how many of them had been to Ireland the answer was a big fat zero, all sticking in there wee opinions with out knowing the truth behind the man or the politics of the country, was he still involved in terrorism up until his death ?. He did some committed some seriously bad crimes but must have realised that moving into politics would keep him out jail, the alliance with Paisley was a surreal one. He was a villian but as said he was a husband, father and grandfather who suffering just now.
MarkE
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So because he had many supporters we have to be ok with the violence and carnage committed by him and his like?
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Why does it matter if any of those calling him all sorts had been to Ireland or not? The troubles weren't confined to Ireland.
Val
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I think what Colin Party said was very appropriate
Never forgive, never forget BUT respect the man he became.
I'm in neither camp, lots of nonsense said by both camps but one thing is for sure he helped shape Belfast twice, one ugly no go zone and one that I will happily return to for a visit, I'd like to think he helped do a good job on the later that took him and many others to rethink their views.
Never forgive, never forget BUT respect the man he became.
I'm in neither camp, lots of nonsense said by both camps but one thing is for sure he helped shape Belfast twice, one ugly no go zone and one that I will happily return to for a visit, I'd like to think he helped do a good job on the later that took him and many others to rethink their views.
stevek1969
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I never said they were confined to Ireland did i ? They were commenting on a countries politics they never been to or had a clue about
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Here's what you said:
the question was asked how many of them had been to Ireland the answer was a big fat zero, all sticking in there wee opinions with out knowing the truth behind the man or the politics of the country.
Simply asking why they'd need to have visited Ireland to know the truth etc
stevek1969
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Do you know the truth ? because what they no is what they've read on the news or in papers ,actually being over there and getting the real truths is a big difference wouldn't you say
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I have been over there yes, I also had a very good mate Micky Robbins blown up and killed while he slept in his bed in Mill Hill, London on 1st August 1988 and the Camp I was based at in Dusseldorf Germany was blown up so experienced the IRA quite close to home and an educated person can get real truths without having to visit Ireland, I take it everyone who's compared him to Mandella has been to S Africa?
stevek1969
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i didn't mention Mandela did i, no ,did i say they were educated no i did not , my mates uncle was killed in cold blood for not paying protection money by said group , i'll leave it at that
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