Martin McGuinness hero or villian?

[Deleted member 16999]

i didn't mention Mandela did i, no ,did i say they were educated no i did not , my mates uncle was killed in cold blood for not paying protection money by said group , i'll leave it at that

Genuinely wasn't having a go steve, just didn't understand the point about people needing to have visited Ireland to have a say, sorry for your mates loss.

 

[jusme]

No one's view or opinion should be silenced, however I think there is some merit in this point. I've seen things stated and argued on other platforms today which are wildly inaccurate. On exploring these points they are getting their information from things they 'have read or heard'

Certainly not saying you have to be immersed with in it to have a qualified view or opinion as many people I imagine are well informed from other avenues or direct experiences. I have lived in Belfast or the Belfast area for over 40 years and that direct exposure and 'living with' the impact, whether negative or positive is a real experience that shapes not only your opinion but your life in many ways.

 

[Khamelion]

A leopard can't change its spots, no matter what front he put forth publically towards the end, behind that front he had no morals, a distinct lack of empathy and to his last breath a terrorist.

 

[SocketRocket]

If you murder people then you are a murderer and should pay the appropriate price for that crime. If you have paid your price and then go on to do good things, while repenting your previous life then it's fair to say you have tried to make amends. If you murder people and turn to politics as there is no where else to go then you are still a murderer and deserve no pity.

 

[Snelly]

Villian & murderer, and I hope Adams joins him sooner rather than later. I've experienced both of them first hand a number of times, and as for comparing him to Mandela's fight, which I disagree with, why was he (McGuiness) ordering the deaths of those in INLA who were supposedly fighting for the same thing?

I never came back from 1 tour ( I did 3 in total) without the loss of 1 or more friends and at that time, other than INLA, nothing happened without his say-so.

So for me he was a terrorist and murderer of the highest order, nothing else IMO, and it sickened me when he shook the queen's hand.

How could you ever forgive or justify this

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Well said. I agree.

I look forward to seeing the rest of the murdering, scumbag gangsters from that era, on both sides of the religious divide, joining him sooner rather than later. Good riddance. The world will be a better place with them all gone.

 

[bluewolf]

If you murder people then you are a murderer and should pay the appropriate price for that crime. If you have paid your price and then go on to do good things, while repenting your previous life then it's fair to say you have tried to make amends. If you murder people and turn to politics as there is no where else to go then you are still a murderer and deserve no pity.

Can't argue with that.

 

[Old Skier]

 

[Foxholer]

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Rather spoilt by the bad spelling!

 

[Old Skier]

Rather spoilt by the bad spelling!

Minor detail but 9/10 for observation.