M25 protests

[theoneandonly]

Not readily apparent. Or are you talking about the report in the Guardian about how many accused were still serving. This comes up when googling H.M Inspectorate, but

These were cases of serving officers , of current good character,being accused of domestic assault/abuse. It highlights what percentage we’re still serving, the allegations not being proved, and how many were dismissed or resigned etc.

That is not what you said. You said that persons with domes abuse conviction were then recruited as Police officers, the vetting procedure not being properly used.
I saw nothing there , in the Guardian, about someone with a domestic abuse conviction to their name going on to be recruited as aPolice Officer.
You say the H.M. inspectorate shows such instances. Can you provide a specific report?

Did I say the Guardian?

https://www.justiceinspectorates.go...isconduct-and-misogyny-in-the-police-service/


Start with the press release
https://www.justiceinspectorates.go...-wrong-people-to-join-and-stay-in-the-police/

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

This thread should be closed as it is political given it is full of right of centre tropes and whinges.

 

[rudebhoy]

This thread should be closed as it is political given it is full of right of centre tropes and whinges.

Of course it is. It's the golf club demographic in full force.

 

[Fade and Die]

This thread should be closed as it is political given it is full of right of centre tropes and whinges.

Probably because the protest are political, same people doing/running it as extinction rebellion and insulate Britain protests…all anarchists, socialists and Lefty communists trying to bring down the government.

 

[PJ87]

Probably because the protest are political, same people doing/running it as extinction rebellion and insulate Britain protests…all anarchists, socialists and Lefty communists trying to bring down the government.

By that you mean people who care about the future of the planet and actually whilst the action is blooming annoying arent getting anything out of this and are trying to make the world a better place.

I bet people thought the suffragettes were leftie looneys back in the day.

We are on the wrong side of history if we don't change.

 

[BrianM]

They don't want oil banned now. They want all new oil licences revoked.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63543307.amp

Rightly so. We don't need more oil. We need a viable alternative invested in not just to hell with the planet mine for more and more oil.

I don't agree with their methods but their cause is spot on.

Unfortunately those at the top won't listen without the way they go about it.

What’s your alternative instead of oil?

This perception also that wind energy is squeaky clean is a massive misconception that the public have as well.

The government are also making right the sea bed (as much as possible) after wells are completed and finished.
There is an oil rig out there at the moment and that’s all she does.

 

[BrianM]

The thing that annoys me about these protests is, emergency services getting delayed, it literally could be life and death.
Shift workers, imagine getting delayed for hours after nights then you’re back to it within no time and you make an error due to fatigue or crash your car due to fatigue, it’s an absolute joke.
If they had brains, these protestors would be dangerous, if they thought for one second about their own family and if it could be one of them needing help or support.

 

[PJ87]

What’s your alternative instead of oil?

This perception also that wind energy is squeaky clean is a massive misconception that the public have as well.

The government are also making right the sea bed (as much as possible) after wells are completed and finished.
There is an oil rig out there at the moment and that’s all she does.

Wind, solar, nuclear..whilst not 100% clean there a darn sight cleaner than oil

Tidel power needs a lot of investment aswell as we are a island surrounded by tides... Perfect

It is a fact that oil is running out and we don't have an unlimited supply

We have an unlimited supply of wind and sun .

We should be doubling down on green not double down on a source that is A killing us and B running out

 

[D-S]

They have announced the cessation of protests for the foreseeable future.

 

[Blue in Munich]

They have announced the cessation of protests for the foreseeable future.

How very magnanimous of them.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So much angry ‘what-if’ scenario projection is applied to the disruption caused by such as the M25 protests that is not equally applied to all other forms of major disruption on our roads, much of which is not accidental.

And as the associated fury and anger towards the protesters generally comes from the right of the media (see for instance today’s DM whole front page) and wider political spectrum we have why this thread is political.

 

[PJ87]

So much angry ‘what-if’ scenario projection is applied to the disruption caused by such as the M25 protests that is not equally applied to all other forms of major disruption on our roads, much of which is not accidental.

And as the associated fury and anger towards the protesters generally comes from the right of the media (see for instance today’s DM whole front page) and wider political spectrum we have why this thread is political.

I find the irony of some people's condemning of them just too much. So many at work against them yet when we down tools for the pension dispute that's let's be honest a selfish reason because it affects us. Innocent people caught in the argument and all this whataboutary about hospital appointments and such

But when someone climbs the Dartford bridge, gets nothing out of it just trying to make the world a better place so really is selfless reasons .. that's awful

Whilst yes one is within the law both cause the same outcome for the rest of the population

 

[Neilds]

Wind, solar, nuclear..whilst not 100% clean there a darn sight cleaner than oil

Tidel power needs a lot of investment aswell as we are a island surrounded by tides... Perfect

It is a fact that oil is running out and we don't have an unlimited supply

We have an unlimited supply of wind and sun .

We should be doubling down on green not double down on a source that is A killing us and B running out

I agree with this. However, where do we put the wind farms and solar farms, because everywhere around here that is suggested immediately results in a local campaign to stop the development as it spoils the view/nature/etc.

It is a no win situation when people want change but not in their back yard.

 

[Blue in Munich]

So much angry ‘what-if’ scenario projection is applied to the disruption caused by such as the M25 protests that is not equally applied to all other forms of major disruption on our roads, much of which is not accidental.

And as the associated fury and anger towards the protesters generally comes from the right of the media (see for instance today’s DM whole front page) and wider political spectrum we have why this thread is political.

But it’s not what if, is it? People have missed funerals, people have missed medical appointments, there was a complaint on the radio the other day that medical supplies were inconvenienced. All this succeeds in doing is alienating a large section of the population who are understanding of the issue and probably supportive of the point, but totally opposed to the way it is being made.

As to the pointed references to this thread being political, if you are that bothered how about reporting it to the mods to deal with it rather than posting in it. The irony of it given how they came to be banned here beggars belief.

 

[PJ87]

I agree with this. However, where do we put the wind farms and solar farms, because everywhere around here that is suggested immediately results in a local campaign to stop the development as it spoils the view/nature/etc.

It is a no win situation when people want change but not in their back yard.

That's a major issue. People worry too much about our "green and beautiful" landscape they won't put the solar farms on

DW give it a few years and that green and beautiful will be ruined by climate change anyways, more short tighten selfishness.

We need more schemes like ripple I believe it is? You can invest in a wind farm nearby and in term you get cheaper energy

Encourages them to be built

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Did I say the Guardian?

https://www.justiceinspectorates.go...isconduct-and-misogyny-in-the-police-service/


Start with the press release
https://www.justiceinspectorates.go...-wrong-people-to-join-and-stay-in-the-police/

Well, you are right about the vetting. I was wrong. My apologies.
I have read enough of the report which states they found serious( in my view, very serious) omissions of vetting procedures and checks.
Frankly, it beggars belief. I know how the system used to work, and it was nothing like what was reported here.
I was wrong because I could not imagine such people being appointed without their past being known. I can understand people using subterfuge to fool the system, but this is not that: this is reporting that the system would have known the position if proper procedures had been followed.

But this seems even worse, quote from report,

”There were occasions when sound vetting rejections had been overruled, with dubious justification”

This smacks of too much bureaucracy and vital decisions not being in the hands of the right people.
Or am I clutching at straws.?

 

[PNWokingham]

The morons who want no new oil licences are pathetic. We and the rest of the world need oil and gas for at least the next 2 decades to get through the trasition. Wind, solar etc is great and a big part of the future but it is not base load power that we need to cover our supply when the wind does not blow and the we have a bit of cloud, which we are pretty good at

I repeat the point - we are using oil and gas until well probably into the 2040s while we build up renewables. Importing is twice as polluting as home grown - so new licences are in everyones interest, not least for domestic security respects, as Germany is finding out, while also going back to the dirtiest carbon source - coal.

We have to ween our dependance off China - that is another big issue. China are opening coal power stations every week that gives them energy to make many of the "green" batteries that power our "green" cars and many other associated parts for "green" wind turbines and all the other normal things we import every week! Hypocracy at its best - China and coal power our green future!!

We need all the mini nukes up and running in the next decade - no new big nukes as they seem far costlier and more problematic. We HAVE to get going on tidal rather than kicking it down the road. We have a massive home grown advantage of a huge coatline and the biggest tidal range in the world. This will be base load power and green - win, win - and could give us massive export opportunities. We need a solar stratgy rethink - let's put panels on all the flat roofed industrial parks around the country - and these industrial parks can also have a couple of turines each rather than put them over the countryside. Also, solar most of the new build houses and flats, and offices, where appropriate

https://xlinks.co/morocco-uk-power-project/

This new solar project is very impressive, underway and will be great for the UK. Other projects in deserts in Africa and Australia are also cracking on and are much more reliable than solar in UK, although that will also play a big part. Combine all with mini nukes and Tidal and we are heading for net zero. If we get there and don't need the new oil/ gas projects anymore in 10 or 15 years, that is great - turn them off and it will not have cost the country anything as all private investment. So i cannot see any downside to getting those new projects started now and for green reasons as much as security ones. As all the activists preach, renewables are now much cheaper - that alone will make stopping oil an economic decision anyway and we may well get there quicker than anticipated. In the context of our green future, new UK licences are part of it not the problem!

 

[Swinglowandslow]

What’s your alternative instead of oil?

This perception also that wind energy is squeaky clean is a massive misconception that the public have as well.

The government are also making right the sea bed (as much as possible) after wells are completed and finished.
There is an oil rig out there at the moment and that’s all she does.

Look, it is simple. There has to be an alternative to oil.To fossil fuels.
No good pointing out the downsides to wind farms, tidal, solar etc.
There is no choice here.

And that choice has to be made by Governments - climbing on gantries won’t achieve that.
Let every constituency put up a Climate candidate? No, people are too stupid and selfish for that to work.

There’s only one hope really. - Nuclear fusion.

Top priority to scientists to get it to work. Not leaving it to private firms , but a U.N and Governments initiative to pool knowledge and resources to get Nuclear fusion.

John and Janet up a gantry won’t do that

 

[Swinglowandslow]

So much angry ‘what-if’ scenario projection is applied to the disruption caused by such as the M25 protests that is not equally applied to all other forms of major disruption on our roads, much of which is not accidental.

And as the associated fury and anger towards the protesters generally comes from the right of the media (see for instance today’s DM whole front page) and wider political spectrum we have why this thread is political.

Stop banging on about it being political ! I haven’t seen Labour or Tory or Prime minister mentioned, have you.?

 

[Deleted member 23270]

The morons who want no new oil licences are pathetic. We and the rest of the world need oil and gas for at least the next 2 decades to get through the trasition. Wind, solar etc is great and a big part of the future but it is not base load power that we need to cover our supply when the wind does not blow and the we have a bit of cloud, which we are pretty good at

I repeat the point - we are using oil and gas until well probably into the 2040s while we build up renewables. Importing is twice as polluting as home grown - so new licences are in everyones interest, not least for domestic security respects, as Germany is finding out, while also going back to the dirtiest carbon source - coal.

We have to ween our dependance off China - that is another big issue. China are opening coal power stations every week that gives them energy to make many of the "green" batteries that power our "green" cars and many other associated parts for "green" wind turbines and all the other normal things we import every week! Hypocracy at its best - China and coal power our green future!!

We need all the mini nukes up and running in the next decade - no new big nukes as they seem far costlier and more problematic. We HAVE to get going on tidal rather than kicking it down the road. We have a massive home grown advantage of a huge coatline and the biggest tidal range in the world. This will be base load power and green - win, win - and could give us massive export opportunities. We need a solar stratgy rethink - let's put panels on all the flat roofed industrial parks around the country - and these industrial parks can also have a couple of turines each rather than put them over the countryside. Also, solar most of the new build houses and flats, and offices, where appropriate

https://xlinks.co/morocco-uk-power-project/

This new solar project is very impressive, underway and will be great for the UK. Other projects in deserts in Africa and Australia are also cracking on and are much more reliable than solar in UK, although that will also play a big part. Combine all with mini nukes and Tidal and we are heading for net zero. If we get there and don't need the new oil/ gas projects anymore in 10 or 15 years, that is great - turn them off and it will not have cost the country anything as all private investment. So i cannot see any downside to getting those new projects started now and for green reasons as much as security ones. As all the activists preach, renewables are now much cheaper - that alone will make stopping oil an economic decision anyway and we may well get there quicker than anticipated. In the context of our green future, new UK licences are part of it not the problem!

Can't argue with any of this