London Bridge incident

[SocketRocket]

So you're in favour of us breaching many different aspects of their legally protected human rights?

To tackle savage behaviour, we should become less civilised?

Nah, not for me thanks. Thankfully their are laws that prevent us from regressing in this way.

These people have opted out of Human Rights, they deserve to live the type of life just described. We have been civilized by providing them with a good lifestyle in our country, it is them that have decided to carry out these uncivilized acts of murder on innocents. We are not talking about torture here, we are talking about hard labour.

 

[Hacker Khan]

HMP is an existing legislative sentence.



If it stopped just 1 young man suddenly not going through with it, would it be worth it?

We've heard of a few situations when the rucksacks have been dumped, usually by those younger converts with last minute reservations, maybe it wouldn't even go that far with the fear of being caught after not going through it but then never seeing the light of day!

Again if it creates doubt with those being more easily led towards these atrocities, they might just think twice, run and hide.

We need a fear factor, death isn't it as they're too comfortable with that, but being locked up forever with the most basic provisions, well I don't think they want to face that kind of isolation!

You obviously won't put off the mad fanatic so we need create something else also to reach into these closed shop communities and create a fear factor so they feel that they must report anything they know or are suspicious of or it could affect them in some way, especially if preachers are involved in some way that are not British born, just ship them out ASAP.

A fate worse than a fate worse than death, pretty bad.............

 

[Fish]

So you're in favour of us breaching many different aspects of their legally protected human rights?

Yes..

To tackle savage behaviour, we should become less civilised?

They receive the most basic of rights, in that, the smallest amount of time to exercise, single cells, no mixing with other inmates, 1 visit a month but only on good behaviour, no luxuries as can be found in all prisons currently, all letters in and out fully vetted, its needs to be uncomfortable for them , not a bloody holiday camp with special privileges!

Nah, not for me thanks. Thankfully their are laws that prevent us from regressing in this way.

We need to change them as there's no current deterrent and we are perceived to be a soft touch, your opinion being typical of them.

 

[Fish]

Some information filtering through but the police have asked the media to hold back on announcing the names and full details of the 3 terrorists, but it's just been said that 1 was a Pakistani male and one of the others was a Moroccan, one being married to a white British woman who is currently under arrest.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So that bloke that blew himself up, taking all those young kids with him had legally protected human rights?
Wow!!
Who'd have thought it.

I didn't say that...

 

[Smiffy]

I didn't say that...

No, but you inferred it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No, but you inferred it.

Benjamin Franklin - US Founding Father - said

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety

Challenging

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

'The ECHR protects freedoms such as the prohibition of torture, slavery, the right to a fair trial and freedom of expression and the right to go about your law abiding daily life in safety'

I've jusy tweaked the Human Rights Act slightly, hope that is OK with everyone?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I've jusy tweaked the Human Rights Act slightly, hope that is OK with everyone?

Not really...it says what it says...

 

[Slime]

Not sure why you need to overcomplicate it, the sentence for terrorist activity simply needs to be at "HMP" (her majesties pleasure) with no grounds for release.

Why release anyone who has been involved in terrorism, they are only going to jump through the hoops whilst inside and be of good behaviour so they can be released as soon as possible, and then guess what.........booom!

Life needs to be life for terrorism acts, build a specific large remote jail which is as basic as it can be with 90% bang up with the minimum amount of exercise.

No TV's or pool tables etc, proper slop-out bang-up victorian style jail, but leave them their belts on, you never know, they might take the easy option out and save us some money and help keep the jail population down.

Struggling to find anything wrong with that ............... although I'm also in favour of the death penalty.

So you're in favour of us breaching many different aspects of their legally protected human rights?

To tackle savage behaviour, we should become less civilised?

Nah, not for me thanks. Thankfully their are laws that prevent us from regressing in this way.

They gave up their human rights when they stopped behaving like humans!

 

[Tashyboy]

Benjamin Franklin - US Founding Father - said

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety

Challenging

I could be wrong with this SILH in that in Mr BJs day America was full of savages. The same could be said of Manchester, London, Paris and Europe.

The same quote could and should apply today to the same savages.

 

[SocketRocket]

Benjamin Franklin - US Founding Father - said

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety

Challenging

I think you misunderstand the meaning of his quotation. He actually wrote:
"those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

He was referring to the dispute between the Penn family and the Pennsylvania General Assembly regarding a charge to protect the boarder during the French and Indian War. The Penn family who governed the colony refused to pay a tax by getting the Governor to veto it. So far from being a pro-privacy quotation, if anything, it's a pro-taxation and pro-defense spending quotation. Quite the opposite to what people tend to believe it was.

 

[Rlburnside]

Ironically ribby me man, the Saudis and five other Mid East countries have today stopped all diplomatic relations with Qatar. Yup the same place where the World Cup is going. They accuse the qataris of bank rolling terrorism, both at government level and rich Qatari individuals. And destabilising the Mid East.
having read all the posts. I am English and respect all faiths, sexes etc etc etc. But and this is a massive but, respect and tolerance is a two way street. Some don't see it that way. Re recent events. These extremist scum do not recognise a country's boundarys. There faith (or lack of ) overrides any loyalty to a country, religion, sex, race etc etc.

Yes it is ironic that the Saudis have stopped diplomatic relations with Quatar when they cant/ won't stop the hard line money men in their own country from funding terrorists

 

[HomerJSimpson]

According to breaking BBC news those arrested in connection have been released

 

[Deleted member 16999]

According to breaking BBC news those arrested in connection have been released

Not quite, the 12 arrested sunday have been released, others are still in custody.

 

[Fish]

Not quite, the 12 arrested sunday have been released, others are still in custody.

There will always be multiple arrests following these atrocities as the police and other agencies descend on all family members and immediate associates to interview them, those that knew or took any part in assisting the murderers will be charged, those that can prove they knew nothing, released, but now watched.

All the immediate arrests give the public a sense of trust and relief (probably not the right word or expression but I know what I mean) but unfortunately that's just a big net thrown out and many caught up in it will be inevitably released.

Some of these young terrorists have sons, daughters and brothers, although they may have not took part in the particular murderous act that saw there father shot down or blown up, how many of those then become the enemy from within and turn their anger towards us to follow in their fathers footsteps?

 

[Kellfire]

Some of these young terrorists have sons, daughters and brothers, although they may have not took part in the particular murderous act that saw there father shot down or blown up, how many of those then become the enemy from within and turn their anger towards us to follow in their fathers footsteps?

Best deport them to be sure.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There will always be multiple arrests following these atrocities as the police and other agencies descend on all family members and immediate associates to interview them, those that knew or took any part in assisting the murderers will be charged, those that can prove they knew nothing, released, but now watched.

All the immediate arrests give the public a sense of trust and relief (probably not the right word or expression but I know what I mean) but unfortunately that's just a big net thrown out and many caught up in it will be inevitably released.

Some of these young terrorists have sons, daughters and brothers, although they may have not took part in the particular murderous act that saw there father shot down or blown up, how many of those then become the enemy from within and turn their anger towards us to follow in their fathers footsteps?

Yes I know mate, Homer comment was ambigious, so just clarified it.

 

[Junior]

It was on the radio this morning that one of those involved was on the C4 documentary 'Jihadi's Next Door' last year. He was seen preaching in London and carrying isis flags, but, whilst known to the Police he was not suspected of any terrorist activity ????

 

[Fish]

It was on the radio this morning that one of those involved was on the C4 documentary 'Jihadi's Next Door' last year. He was seen preaching in London and carrying isis flags, but, whilst known to the Police he was not suspected of any terrorist activity ????

I've seen the clip, and its this which needs addressing in our laws.

How on earth has someone like him received British citizenship? It's almost a tic box guarantee system, it's pathetic!

As soon as he or anyone who's been afforded citizenship (or not) and spouts violence and hatred against the country that has taken him in, then that citizenship needs removing and he needs shipping out back to Pakistan and not allowed back into the country.

Any and all citizenship from people choosing to live here needs to have a proviso that any threats or violent actions against the country or serous crimes committed in the country, then its withdrawn and they are removed.