Lewis Shamilton

[medwayjon]

Has been excluded from the aussie grand-prix and trulli re-instated to 3rd.

Basically because golden-boy and McLaren deliberately misled stewards.

No class, and now cheating.

 

[Parmo]

Still worlds #1

 

[CarpeDiem]

Still worlds #1

For now.

 

[freddielong]

I forgot you English dont like to see english guys do well

 

[medwayjon]

I forgot you English dont like to see english guys do well

Absolutely love to see the english do well, was overjoyed for button at the weekend.

I dont want to see a cheat with no-class who drives for a team of cheats do well.

 

[Twire]

I'm getting the distinct impression that your not a fan of Hamilton and McClaren Jon.

 

[SS2]

BBC website reports that Hamilton did not lie to the Stewards. That may be true but my understanding is that he didn't give them the full story and hoped that he could get away with it. Not good at all for Hamilton and McLaren.

 

[StuartD]

BBC now reporting that Hamilton did lie.

"Race stewards in Australia initially disqualified Trulli from third place for passing Hamilton behind the safety car.

But it later emerged that Hamilton had told the stewards he had not been asked by McLaren to let Trulli past him when the team's radio transmission proved that he had.


Trulli (front) was passed by Hamilton (back) when he slid off the track
Trulli was running third, ahead of Hamilton, when the safety car came out three laps from the end of the race but he ran off the road at the penultimate corner.

Hamilton passed the Italian - as he was entitled to do, because the Toyota was fully off the track at the time but then his engineer can be heard ordering him to let Trulli back past again.

It is not clear why Hamilton did not make this information available to the race stewards at the time - he has not spoken to the media since his disqualification"


If Hamilton had admitted he had been told to let Truli through it would only have cost him 2 points. Lying at this just to gain an extra couple of points is shocking. It's the first race, he has plenty of time to make up the points

 

[birdieman]

Its competitive sport with high stakes, in most sports cheating is part of the game - football(diving), boxing(low blows), tennis(bad line calls) etc etc. No-one bothers about that much.
In Italian football 'conning the ref' is seen as a great skill like bending free kicks or playing a one-two and is appreciated by fans and players alike!

We are lucky that golf is different and cheating is so taboo that 99% of us wouldn't even contemplate it thankfully.

I don't especially like Hamilton, he is too plastic and rehearsed for me, but I don't think fibbing about who overtook who is that much of a biggy, is it?

 

[Cernunnos]

Its competitive sport with high stakes, in most sports cheating is part of the game - football(diving), boxing(low blows), tennis(bad line calls) etc etc. No-one bothers about that much.
In Italian football 'conning the ref' is seen as a great skill like bending free kicks or playing a one-two and is appreciated by fans and players alike!

We are lucky that golf is different and cheating is so taboo that 99% of us wouldn't even contemplate it thankfully.

I don't especially like Hamilton, he is too plastic and rehearsed for me, but I don't think fibbing about who overtook who is that much of a biggy, is it?

If its a question of points at the end of the season to decide a tie of wins, then yes it does matter, so is a biggy in the scale of things.

A lie is a lie & an omission an omission. It sadens me that any Brit would consider cheating to gain anything in sport.

After all the old addage for British sport is "Play the Game" This mean play by the rules & stick your hands up to an error. Do your best without being underhand.

Can't stand that sort of underhandedness & if all this is true about Hamilton, then I have no respect for him at all.

Cheats should not prosper.

 

[HartleyHare]

I forgot you English dont like to see english guys do well

not all of us Freddie.
i appreciate LH for what he is, a brilliant young driver with immense natural talent and the chance to surpass every record laid down before him and the balls to try and overtake when others would sit behind and wait for the pitstop.
as for cheating, some of the great drivers in F1 were cheats, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Alonso and as for the teams i'm sure if any one of them had the chance to pull a fast one on the others they'd all jump at it.
not condoning it at all, but none of them are whiter than white and Mclaren and no better or worse than any others.
let him without sin cast the first stone, and all that....

 

[toonarmy]

Has been excluded from the aussie grand-prix and trulli re-instated to 3rd.

Basically because golden-boy and McLaren deliberately misled stewards.

No class, and now cheating.

Jon, you are starting to sound like that annoying kid in school who wants to go around telling everyone that Santa isn't real.

You don't like McLaren and therefore by extension Hamilton. This is mostly because you are in love with Ferrari. That's fine, it's all subjective. I don't give two hoots about any of them for what it's worth.

But how about you stop banging on about it all the bloody time? Unless you've got something worthwhile to say, or at least new, any chance you could wind your neck in? It's frankly all rather dull.

 

[Cernunnos]

Hamilton is a good enough driver not to need to either cheat lie or in this case omit certain facts.

McClaren ought to be a good enough team in its own right & bigger in character than to encorage of be involved in cheating. They should not need to be this underhand.

It must of course be remembered that they are not the only team these days that feel they need to get involved in skulldugery of this sort.

Each time something like this happens & the offenders get found out, all it serves to do is bring the whole sport down in disrepute.

 

[shanker]

Has been excluded from the aussie grand-prix and trulli re-instated to 3rd.

Basically because golden-boy and McLaren deliberately misled stewards.

No class, and now cheating.

Jon, you are starting to sound like that annoying kid in school who wants to go around telling everyone that Santa isn't real.

You don't like McLaren and therefore by extension Hamilton. This is mostly because you are in love with Ferrari. That's fine, it's all subjective. I don't give two hoots about any of them for what it's worth.

But how about you stop banging on about it all the bloody time? Unless you've got something worthwhile to say, or at least new, any chance you could wind your neck in? It's frankly all rather dull.

I agree with Toony, 100%

 

[Herbie]

What hamilton did or didn't do is of little importance to me, its the whole rubbish that surrounds F1 thats tiring.

All decisions should be made the same day and stuck to, bit like refs in football, right or wrong the only decisions that go beyond match day are punishment appeals or appeals against a players guilt, the goals determine the winners and in F1 the placings determine winners unless at the time the ref's (stewards) deal with it there and then, there is just too much b***** in F1 today.

 

[madandra]

I forgot you English dont like to see english guys do well

not all of us Freddie.
i appreciate LH for what he is, a brilliant young driver with immense natural talent and the chance to surpass every record laid down before him and the balls to try and overtake when others would sit behind and wait for the pitstop.
as for cheating, some of the great drivers in F1 were cheats, Senna, Prost, Schumacher , Alonso ....

You have got to be kidding me !!!!!!!!!! Schumacher was one of the worst offenders... do you not remember him taking Villneuve and Hill out of races in his quest to be No1 and what about the times he forced team mates to let him pass ???

Look at Shearer ... the mans an England God but he told the FA that if they banned him for kicking Neil Lennon in the head he wouldn.t go to the world cup .....

Hamilton was wrong and got caught but he should not be ostracized. Rooney should be banned for his tackle the other night but has got away with it for years becasue it is 'the kind of player he is' ... p15h ... he is just a wee thug ... did Hamilton hurt anyone???

Get over it !!!!!!

 

[HartleyHare]

I forgot you English dont like to see english guys do well

not all of us Freddie.
i appreciate LH for what he is, a brilliant young driver with immense natural talent and the chance to surpass every record laid down before him and the balls to try and overtake when others would sit behind and wait for the pitstop.
as for cheating, some of the great drivers in F1 were cheats, Senna, Prost, Schumacher , Alonso ....

You have got to be kidding me !!!!!!!!!! Schumacher was one of the worst offenders... do you not remember him taking Villneuve and Hill out of races in his quest to be No1 and what about the times he forced team mates to let him pass ???

Eh??
I'm saying those four all cheated at one time or another.
I agree Schumacher was the worst of the lot by a long way too.

 

[madandra]

Oops, note to self 'read all of post and read it in context'


Sorry HH.

 

[MVP]

now hamilton will have lost a lot of respect which is a good thing cos its blatant that hes a little spoilt )(*& who deserves nada

 

[Tommo21]

http://www.crash.net/Formula+One/News/145064/1/mclaren_summoned_to_wmsc_meeting.html

I think you should all read this before making your mind up. In my opinion, they deliberately withheld the truth. I also think Hamilton was well aware of what was going on. This was not a case of going into a meeting and have someone else say it like they see it. Hamilton knew fine well the truth was being withheld that’s why he was so sheepish and apologetic when being interviewed. McLaren are in deep trouble here and I think more sanctions will follow.