Lest Westwood on Close House Filly Course

[pokerjoke]

They will all have their own brands that they will review and they will all be positive because if they had a negative I don't think they would post the vid.

I know Crossfield did question TM loft up campaign and I believe he was invited along to get fitted and he did loft up I believe for a while.

To answer your question Alex bigger and better things have already happened this year for Crossfield.

It looks like he is an ambassador for "your golf travel" and he has had big interviews already.
Playing with Lee is another perk.
He has also had a few holes with Luke and others at Bearwood so is being introduced to big names in the golfing world.

I must admit I would like him to tone it down a bit and I believe if someones not happy in the marketing structure they would tell him.

But after talking with Matt he did think Mark was going places[who knows how far though].

 

[JV24601]

Egg on his face? Because Lee said, "I won it 6 years ago. See you've done your research". It was obviously a sarcastic response from Lee to make Crossfield look silly in a friendly "banter" kind of way. It's what people do when they are having fun. I rib my mates and they do it to me all the time when things like happen. Lockey then points the same thing out to Mark by belittling him again. There is no malice in it. It's just all good deprecating / sarcastic humour.

You can see the difference in their interactions between the first video to the last. Lee is obviously giving more back and they are all getting along. You have no idea what isn't recorded as the video obviously cuts between shots either. They could have been chatting quietly and getting on like a house on fire!

Did you see video 6 where Westwood stamps down on Crossfield's putting line on the 18th? He didn't smile then either, so it must have been a deliberate and malicious act because he was so fed up with Crossfield, or may be it was just all good light-hearted fun?

You didn't enjoy Mark Crossfields narration/style and that is fair enough, but deciding off the back of these short videos that you think he is a crank or a tosser and Westwood probably feels the same as you is laughable.

If you find that laughable then go ahead and laugh. You live longer apparently.

We clearly disagree and see things very differently. That's fine and I'm good with that :cheers:

 

[Alex1975]

They will all have their own brands that they will review and they will all be positive because if they had a negative I don't think they would post the vid.

I know Crossfield did question TM loft up campaign and I believe he was invited along to get fitted and he did loft up I believe for a while.

To answer your question Alex bigger and better things have already happened this year for Crossfield.

It looks like he is an ambassador for "your golf travel" and he has had big interviews already.
Playing with Lee is another perk.
He has also had a few holes with Luke and others at Bearwood so is being introduced to big names in the golfing world.

I must admit I would like him to tone it down a bit and I believe if someones not happy in the marketing structure they would tell him.

But after talking with Matt he did think Mark was going places[who knows how far though].

Interesting stuff. So in this case a little more of the same but to a greater extent. He must have a diary full or he would not have been in a position to get Lockey to commit and leave his day job.

 

[JV24601]

Agree with almost everything. Apart from the fact that Me and My Golf have 40 odd thousand more subscribers than Crossfield. So they are the daddies.

Now those guys are impressive. Some very good videos and they are likeable chaps. IMO.

 

[pokerjoke]

Interesting stuff. So in this case a little more of the same but to a greater extent. He must have a diary full or he would not have been in a position to get Lockey to commit and leave his day job.

Exactly that.

Matt was saying that Mark had things in the pipeline and if they came off he would employ him so off the back of this I would say it came off.

They are obviously very good friends and I don't believe Mark would take him on if he didn't have work lined up.

I would say more of the same but with bigger names on better courses in the future.

He did seem to get on with Gmac quite well.

 

[JV24601]

He did seem to get on with Gmac quite well.

Yes I've just watched that interview. He was much better there.

 

[Hacker Khan]

They will all have their own brands that they will review and they will all be positive because if they had a negative I don't think they would post the vid.

I know Crossfield did question TM loft up campaign and I believe he was invited along to get fitted and he did loft up I believe for a while.

To answer your question Alex bigger and better things have already happened this year for Crossfield.

It looks like he is an ambassador for "your golf travel" and he has had big interviews already.
Playing with Lee is another perk.
He has also had a few holes with Luke and others at Bearwood so is being introduced to big names in the golfing world.

I must admit I would like him to tone it down a bit and I believe if someones not happy in the marketing structure they would tell him.

But after talking with Matt he did think Mark was going places[who knows how far though].

Well he would say that would't he if he was going to be employed by him

 

[Hacker Khan]

Yes I've just watched that interview. He was much better there.

And to be fair, Gmac is one of the nicest people on tour from all I have seen of his dealings with the press/media. So I suspect you need to be a total idiot to get the cold shoulder from him.

 

[woody69]

If you find that laughable then go ahead and laugh. You live longer apparently.

We clearly disagree and see things very differently. That's fine and I'm good with that :cheers:

Perhaps you should watch this and see that Westwood appears to have no problem with Mark. They even talk about the Close House round a little

[video=youtube;LEBK44a5Wyo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBK44a5Wyo[/video]

 

[moondogs]

But after talking with Matt he did think Mark was going places[who knows how far though].

I imagine his sidekick and employee probably would claim he was going places

I enjoy watching Mark's videos and him playing with his regular cohorts. I think I prefer Coach Lockey to Mark, as Mark can kinda grate, but overall they play nice courses well and have a laugh while doing so. I can't really complain about that.

I did think that it took a long time for Westwood to 'warm' to them. As I say, I watch Mark's videos and I enjoy them, but I thought that perhaps he should have quit with the 'in-gags' of his vlogs, as none of the people there were reacting to them nor did they know what he was banging on about. Talking about Lee in a jokey way, off camera, whilst meant in a a humorous way, was just a bit disrespectful and might wind me up. I thought Lee ignored a lot of what they said, especially early on.

Shane Lowry actually called them on it on an earlier vlog - he turned around after hearing an off camera comment and said "what?" and neither Mark nor Lockey responded!

In the end, Mark gets access to some top players, lives a life that many would be very jealous of, he can be frustrating but I enjoy watching his videos, so it was fun to see him playing with a top tour player.

 

[pokerjoke]

Perhaps you should watch this and see that Westwood appears to have no problem with Mark. They even talk about the Close House round a little

[video=youtube;LEBK44a5Wyo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBK44a5Wyo[/video]

When I watched this video I seriously thought Lee wanted to be somewhere else but his duties meant he had to do the vid.

 

[woody69]

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[Hacker Khan]

Even the chap on mygolfspy has an agenda... While its not the same as the OEMs he is a little bit of a drama queen. I had a conversation with him the other day. He had made it clear is was regularly bullied and threatened by the OEMs, I asked him in what form this came, written or verbal. He told me "both". I asked him to show us rather than out these people without actually outing them and he cut our conversation short. If your going to say something... SAY IT!

But on the other hand once you publicly accuse and name a big corporation of bullying you then you could be looking at a legal case. That he probably thinks is worth the cost or hassle. Plus mygolfspy must rely on the manufacturers to some extent to get access to their equipment. And once you come out and name and shame companies then they could make it very difficult for them to get hold of any of their equipment. Which would dent the credibility of what the site does in a big way.

You say you were asking him for proof he was getting bullied without showing you who it was then that becomes very tricky. Bullying is a strong word with a lot of connotations, but it would not surprise me if the press officers of these big companies were on his case a bit.

 

[Stuey01]

Had a 3 hour lesson last December with Mark. I found him to be very knowledgable, innovative in his use of technology (compared to other Pros I have had lessons from) and good company. I really enjoyed it.
He definitely hams it up a bit in his videos, but thats where a lot of the entertainment is, otherwise it's just golf at a lower standard than we're used to seeing on TV.

 

[Alex1975]

But on the other hand once you publicly accuse and name a big corporation of bullying you then you could be looking at a legal case. That he probably thinks is worth the cost or hassle. Plus mygolfspy must rely on the manufacturers to some extent to get access to their equipment. And once you come out and name and shame companies then they could make it very difficult for them to get hold of any of their equipment. Which would dent the credibility of what the site does in a big way.

You say you were asking him for proof he was getting bullied without showing you who it was then that becomes very tricky. Bullying is a strong word with a lot of connotations, but it would not surprise me if the press officers of these big companies were on his case a bit.

Yep, all true for sure. Mygolfspy try to do good things. It is a very strange industry. If coaches and teaching pros did a better job we would have more to talk about than equipment that is all to tolerance anyhow. We would rely on ourselves as players more perhaps.

 

[Alex1975]

When I watched this video I seriously thought Lee wanted to be somewhere else but his duties meant he had to do the vid.

The body language says it all....

 

[JV24601]

Perhaps you should watch this and see that Westwood appears to have no problem with Mark. They even talk about the Close House round a little

[video=youtube;LEBK44a5Wyo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBK44a5Wyo[/video]

Wow Woody! If that video is your argument then I really have nothing to say.

Can we give this up now? I have agreed to disagree a couple of times now.

 

[woody69]

When I watched this video I seriously thought Lee wanted to be somewhere else but his duties meant he had to do the vid.

Don't really understand where you got that from. I appreciate most professional sportsmen and women can't be bothered with the media and the last thing they want to do is give interviews rather than relax, but he seemed fairly happy and easy going to me, laughing and joking with his usual sarcastic responses at times. He wasn't being short and was quite friendly.

The body language says it all....

Yeah, the hand gesturing, smiling are a real give away... oh but, yeah he does cross his arms for a large proportion, so he must be being defensive and still thinking "oh this Crossfield is a tosser"

 

[woody69]

Wow Woody! If that video is your argument then I really have nothing to say.

Can we give this up now? I have agreed to disagree a couple of times now.

I have absolutely no idea what you want to agree to disagree on.

 

[Alex1975]

Don't really understand where you got that from. I appreciate most professional sportsmen and women can't be bothered with the media and the last thing they want to do is give interviews rather than relax, but he seemed fairly happy and easy going to me, laughing and joking with his usual sarcastic responses at times. He wasn't being short and was quite friendly.



Yeah, the hand gesturing, smiling are a real give away... oh but, yeah he does cross his arms for a large proportion, so he must be being defensive and still thinking "oh this Crossfield is a tosser"

Its a fact... BTW are you Mark Crossfield? In love with him? Lockey? Why this crazy defense? As has been said... lets call it a difference of opinion and move on?! It matter so little... One mans something is another mans something....