Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
And as if by magic 20 mins ago Rick posted on his Facebook page a picture of them all playing together at West Lancs GC. Should be good to watch when it comes out.
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And as if by magic 20 mins ago Rick posted on his Facebook page a picture of them all playing together at West Lancs GC. Should be good to watch when it comes out.
JV24601
Head Pro
You like/are Crossfield and reckon he was fine.
I think he's a tosser in that video and that Westwood doesn't like him but was professional and did what was required of a professional golfer in that situation.
There.
The End? Please?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
To be fair to whoever said 'body language' (I've kind of lost track of who is arguing what now), your body language does say a lot more about you than what comes out your mouth ever will.
For example if you know how to use your body language and also how to speak (as in pace, how loud, how fast etc) then you will have much better chance of chatting anyone up than if you just rely on chat up lines and a supposed sense of humour. Over 90% of your impression of someone is made up from how they act/body language and how they speak, about 8% is actually based on what they comes out of their mouth. But I digress....
For example if you know how to use your body language and also how to speak (as in pace, how loud, how fast etc) then you will have much better chance of chatting anyone up than if you just rely on chat up lines and a supposed sense of humour. Over 90% of your impression of someone is made up from how they act/body language and how they speak, about 8% is actually based on what they comes out of their mouth. But I digress....
woody69
Journeyman Pro
You two are cheeky scamps aren't you with your little jokies that because I express an opinion that is different to yours I must be Mark Crossfield! I see what you did there, highly amusing. Bravo on the wit.
What a depressing little world we live in when people call out others as tossers and dislike them without even knowing that person. It's incredibly sad that you can form a derogatory opinion of another person who you don't know and then try validate that opinion by stating quite matter of factly that Westwood probably shares it.
timlongs
Newbie
I've got a lot of time for MC. He's seen a gap in the market and ran with it. According to this website, over his 2 youtube channels he could be making over £70,000 in revenue paid to him by Youtube, not bad. http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/4golfonline
I think him and Lockey are off to Vegas and Dubai next year as well. Not bad at all!
I think him and Lockey are off to Vegas and Dubai next year as well. Not bad at all!
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
You two are cheeky scamps aren't you with your little jokies that because I express an opinion that is different to yours I must be Mark Crossfield! I see what you did there, highly amusing. Bravo on the wit.
What a depressing little world we live in when people call out others as tossers and dislike them without even knowing that person. It's incredibly sad that you can form a derogatory opinion of another person who you don't know and then try validate that opinion by stating quite matter of factly that Westwood probably shares it.
Tosser
JV24601
Head Pro
Tosser
I say tosser with no malice. I'm a chilled fella and I suppose I do exaggerate my derogatory terms.
So you're right Woody. He's not a tosser. He's a fine bloke.
Alex1975
Tour Winner
You two are cheeky scamps aren't you with your little jokies that because I express an opinion that is different to yours I must be Mark Crossfield! I see what you did there, highly amusing. Bravo on the wit.
What a depressing little world we live in when people call out others as tossers and dislike them without even knowing that person. It's incredibly sad that you can form a derogatory opinion of another person who you don't know and then try validate that opinion by stating quite matter of factly that Westwood probably shares it.
Its not ok for us to be judgmental but its ok for you? We are "cheeky scamps"? You don't even know me?!... Hehe. Its fine to disagree, I think myself and JV2 have been pretty easy going, but come on.... your loving this!
Baldy Bouncer
Blackballed
He did come across as a bit Surly, Surely? eh Alex1975?
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Alex1975
Tour Winner
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Feeling left our Phil? ... It did not really, it kinda slow burned all day...
I have read through it and still don't understand
I knew Crossfield was a bit of a marmite character but didn't realise he was that divisive
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Feeling left our Phil? ... It did not really, it kinda slow burned all day...
I think he was. There was some classic bickering over small insignificant use of language and both sides refused to let the other have the last word. I thought LP would heartily approve of that...
Some really interesting and rather passionate posts on here. I have Crossfield has become too "pleased with himself" and every video now seems the same, especially the equipment ones. I like Sheils and Finch and the meandmygolf team as they seem a little more "normal" but maybe as their popularity gets to Crossfield numbers (and you can't knock the guy for the way he's marketed himself and created a niche) I hope they don't change. I understand they were very good company at the H4H day and it seemed a good move by GM to get them along. I think there's definitely a market for this type of pro golfer online, BUT I would prefer them to occasionally be more objective in some reviews.
In terms of tuition, I find Crossfield has again gone rather too technical compared to earlier videos and find there are many better out there including Shiels, Finch and meandmygolf plus a host of others.
I think the video with Westwood certianly doesn't show Crossfield in his best light and it is a testament to Westwood for being so patient and playing along. Not sure I'd have been able to but I guess he must get asked to do some strange things and so has to "play the game".
In terms of tuition, I find Crossfield has again gone rather too technical compared to earlier videos and find there are many better out there including Shiels, Finch and meandmygolf plus a host of others.
I think the video with Westwood certianly doesn't show Crossfield in his best light and it is a testament to Westwood for being so patient and playing along. Not sure I'd have been able to but I guess he must get asked to do some strange things and so has to "play the game".
pendodave
Tour Rookie
These two things may not be entirely unrelated...
One of the comments lost in the I'm right/you're right nonsense in this thread concerned the loss of objectivity by the new wave of youtubers.
One of the most pernicious things about the golf industry is the absolute control of the media exercised by the big OEMs. They buy out the mags with ad revenue, and as soon as another media channel pops out with voices that aren't under their control they rein them in with those tried and tested methods of freebies/access/junkets. Not attractive or good for the average punter.
The two aren't connected. It was good that GM got Shiels and Finch along.
However I think they, Crossfield and others are as you say stifled by the OEM's and any sign of dissent or negativity will undoubtedly lead to them being black listed on the next release. It does seem to be giving the punter a raw deal and every club seems to be great, functional, longer and more forgiving. I agree with your point and it seems the club golfer gets a poor deal. We need an independant Which type magazine or online facility not scared to review a product and call it as they see it
RGDave
Money List Winner
I got the wrong end of the stick, replying to the original question (about Pros playing your course).
Anyway, I've watched most of it and thought it was OK. At times I found the dreadful duo a bit silly (not so much disrespectful, but a tad silly) - I guess we'll never know much.
Whether I like MC more or less is hard to say. I have watched him before... he's OK and has obviously found a nice niche for himself.
Plenty of people make money using the internet and fair play to them. Doesn't make them 'class' or 'professional' in my book.
He may be a qualified PGA pro and all the rest and be fairly rich and e-famous (in his own head)... but hey, he lacks class and it showed from start to finish.
All talk about these new-age internet 'celebs' is good for their business, positive or negative (unless way out of order). Seems to me, MC came out looking a bit less good than he went in... but I expect he made the most out of the whole event.
Either way, I'm not buying any squeaky golf shoes.
Anyway, I've watched most of it and thought it was OK. At times I found the dreadful duo a bit silly (not so much disrespectful, but a tad silly) - I guess we'll never know much.
Whether I like MC more or less is hard to say. I have watched him before... he's OK and has obviously found a nice niche for himself.
Plenty of people make money using the internet and fair play to them. Doesn't make them 'class' or 'professional' in my book.
He may be a qualified PGA pro and all the rest and be fairly rich and e-famous (in his own head)... but hey, he lacks class and it showed from start to finish.
All talk about these new-age internet 'celebs' is good for their business, positive or negative (unless way out of order). Seems to me, MC came out looking a bit less good than he went in... but I expect he made the most out of the whole event.
Either way, I'm not buying any squeaky golf shoes.
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
With regards to the validity of club reviews due to pressure by OEM's, I don't fully go along with it.
You don't need a reviewer slating a club for them to give an unbiased opinion.
I can only speak for Rick Shiels reviews as I don't watch many others, but he always says how the club feels and performs for him - good or bad - and always shows the ball data from his testing to back it up.
He has given less than glowing reviews of clubs, but in a professional and polite way, and has also filmed testing by a 13hc who also appears to give honest appraisals.
Finally, with all the technology and tour pro feedback the manufacturers have at their disposal nowadays, it's not like they throw a few components together and hope it's a winner. Chances are that none of the major manufacturers make 'bad' clubs.
You don't need a reviewer slating a club for them to give an unbiased opinion.
I can only speak for Rick Shiels reviews as I don't watch many others, but he always says how the club feels and performs for him - good or bad - and always shows the ball data from his testing to back it up.
He has given less than glowing reviews of clubs, but in a professional and polite way, and has also filmed testing by a 13hc who also appears to give honest appraisals.
Finally, with all the technology and tour pro feedback the manufacturers have at their disposal nowadays, it's not like they throw a few components together and hope it's a winner. Chances are that none of the major manufacturers make 'bad' clubs.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Has Mark missed a trick here though?
Obviously we didn't see the whole video of the day but just my opinion.
If Mark had got on with Lee very well it could have opened a few doors[maybe] or maybe it has.
We all know what hes like but I feel this time if he had actually shown a bit of class instead of joking his way around he might have opened up more doors,although of course this might have happened.
Obviously we didn't see the whole video of the day but just my opinion.
If Mark had got on with Lee very well it could have opened a few doors[maybe] or maybe it has.
We all know what hes like but I feel this time if he had actually shown a bit of class instead of joking his way around he might have opened up more doors,although of course this might have happened.
