Koeman to Arsenal?

[Lord Tyrion]

The sands are definitely shifting in terms of club size. Look at West Ham, Stoke, Southampton and see where they are compared to recent history. No question, any difference between Everton and Southampton is marginal, certainly based on the last couple of years where the Saints league position has been superior. The slight edge Everton have to sell Koeman is that Southamptons buying and selling policy seems pretty stable at a certain level. Everton have a new owner who is willing to splash some cash plus he will either have a spine of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku to work with or alternatively he will get an even bigger wad of cash to spend from the sale of one maybe two of these. That may tempt him. Otherwise, in terms of current squad, stadium size (not quality), training facilities, youth policy, there is little between them. Everton's history is deeper but I accept that means little to a new generation or to an overseas person.

 

[Papas1982]

The sands are definitely shifting in terms of club size. Look at West Ham, Stoke, Southampton and see where they are compared to recent history. No question, any difference between Everton and Southampton is marginal, certainly based on the last couple of years where the Saints league position has been superior. The slight edge Everton have to sell Koeman is that Southamptons buying and selling policy seems pretty stable at a certain level. Everton have a new owner who is willing to splash some cash plus he will either have a spine of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku to work with or alternatively he will get an even bigger wad of cash to spend from the sale of one maybe two of these. That may tempt him. Otherwise, in terms of current squad, stadium size (not quality), training facilities, youth policy, there is little between them. Everton's history is deeper but I accept that means little to a new generation or to an overseas person.

Has the new owner actually said anything about funds yet? The whispering in the newspapaers transfer talks are certainly more about those three players leaving. Not forming a spine.

I'm quite happy with our spine of Forster, Van Dijyk, wanyama and pelle. I genuinely see our squad as better than evertons. Although accept that Barkley and Lukaku are better than what we have. I wouldn't put any others in the starting line up.

I think Martinez number is up. But, I wouldn't put a penny on Koeman leaving for you. Simply as I don't see you offer him enough of a profile raise.

Out of curiosity, before Koeman was mentioned on here. Who had you considered for Martinez replacement?

 

[Papas1982]

We had the issue with Moyes, everyone knew he was replacing Ferguson but he denied it and said he would have talks at the end of his contract, players whose contracts were due were then asking for the same deal and it unsettled the squad.

Players wouldn't commit as they didn't know if the manager was staying or not, what if Koeman spends millions on players who the next manager doesn't rate?

koeman, Pinocchio and whoever next. Signings aren't fully down to them. We have a whole team devoted to signings. Our scouting team is superb. Ask Spurs, they nicked our scout as well as manager.

Koeman an was actually signed to help get pelle and tadic to join. All new managers that come in what their own players. But they have to work with what the squad has. If Koeman spends 60m this season. We perform like we have and then he leaves.

If if the next manager comes in and does worse, that won't be due to Koeman making bad signings, that'll be down to the new man failing.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not popular with many I suspect but if Newcastle go down then I think Benitez would be a good fit. It would suit all parties. I think there is more chance of that then Koeman. I happen to agree that he is unlikely to come to us, he will want his next move to be a bigger step up, but it doesn't mean we can't want it or hope for it.

I think Lukaku will definitely go but that will bring £50-£60m in. Stones is also a probable but only on our terms as he is on a long contract and we don't have to sell him. Expect us to hold out for £35-£40 for him, and no he is not worth that. That cash plus the expected spend of the new owner will give a new manager a healthy war chest.

I don't think we need major work. A bit of Rafa or Ronald organisation will go a long way plus some additions in key roles. Two decent strikers instead of one would be a simple step forward but I think the gist of the squad is solid. Perhaps Ronald could bring Forster and Van Dijyk with him. You wouldn't mind would you?

 

[Papas1982]

Not popular with many I suspect but if Newcastle go down then I think Benitez would be a good fit. It would suit all parties. I think there is more chance of that then Koeman. I happen to agree that he is unlikely to come to us, he will want his next move to be a bigger step up, but it doesn't mean we can't want it or hope for it.

I think Lukaku will definitely go but that will bring £50-£60m in. Stones is also a probable but only on our terms as he is on a long contract and we don't have to sell him. Expect us to hold out for £35-£40 for him, and no he is not worth that. That cash plus the expected spend of the new owner will give a new manager a healthy war chest.

I don't think we need major work. A bit of Rafa or Ronald organisation will go a long way plus some additions in key roles. Two decent strikers instead of one would be a simple step forward but I think the gist of the squad is solid. Perhaps Ronald could bring Forster and Van Dijyk with him. You wouldn't mind would you?

Yeah we like selling to Liverpool clubs, we can throw them in together for say £80m, both on big contracts. Would go with my blessing lol

I agree re Rafa. But can't see the fans accepting him at all. I think Martinez is a good attacking coach, but he loved of the first season of you still remembering how to defend.

So, if we agree Koeman unlikely, and Rafa unwelcome. Who next? Apparently Pardew is the greatest manager of all time? Or maybe follow on from Martinez with Loudrup or Rodgers?

 

[TheDiablo]

Yeah but we live in a leftie, tree hugging, claim society, nansy pansy country now where the facts of the matter, or the over egging of minor facts like calling him a child, are in this case, a nonsense.

So should Adam Johnson be excused because its a minor fact that she was child and nearly of age of consent? Just interested where the line is drawn on child abuse.

Absolutely no argument that the kid is a little brat. Doesn't excuse an act of violence by a man against a child though.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Papas - Good question. Having lived through Pardew managing in Newcastle I can confirm I would not want him near my club. He is repeating the same boom and bust at Palace but has yet to start upsetting the fans as well at this stage. After Martinez the club may be a little wary of gambling with another manager of a similar background. If not then Eddie Howe at Bournemouth would be worth a punt. If we want to go more established and Benitez is out then it becomes a more difficult one. Mark Hughes was mentioned recently. I'm not sure why he would leave Stoke, perhaps similar arguments to the Southampton discussion, unless his salary there is not great but he has done a good job at most clubs, QPR being the obvious black spot but that there may have been more to that mess than just him. After that you are in the realms of the overseas manager and I don't know enough about those other than the big ones to give a judgement. Luckily the PL is a big draw to managers, nice pay packets, so I am sure various agents are speaking to the club now trying to get their man a job. There could be names that we would never think of who want a lift on the gravy train.

 

[Papas1982]

Papas - Good question. Having lived through Pardew managing in Newcastle I can confirm I would not want him near my club. He is repeating the same boom and bust at Palace but has yet to start upsetting the fans as well at this stage. After Martinez the club may be a little wary of gambling with another manager of a similar background. If not then Eddie Howe at Bournemouth would be worth a punt. If we want to go more established and Benitez is out then it becomes a more difficult one. Mark Hughes was mentioned recently. I'm not sure why he would leave Stoke, perhaps similar arguments to the Southampton discussion, unless his salary there is not great but he has done a good job at most clubs, QPR being the obvious black spot but that there may have been more to that mess than just him. After that you are in the realms of the overseas manager and I don't know enough about those other than the big ones to give a judgement. Luckily the PL is a big draw to managers, nice pay packets, so I am sure various agents are speaking to the club now trying to get their man a job. There could be names that we would never think of who want a lift on the gravy train.

I actually saw Loew linked with the job, alongside PSG. I think the Prem and cash will mean that most big names venture here as Spain is monopolised by the big two.

I like Howe. Although it could well be that bmouth is his little bubble that suits him as he struggled when he tried pastures new. Think Hughes is a good shout. Pardew will get more time at Palace being an extra player, plus he's not a puppet there like he was for Ashley.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Wouldn't expect anything less from him, starts something then runs for cover :smirk:

Now, now Fishy.

Would I do that?

Seems like I've done it twice on this thread......:rofl:

 

[Lord Tyrion]

From World Champions to Everton? Yes please although I suspect his sights are higher. I guess we could put the same question to you if Koeman moves on as as we have agreed both clubs are in a similar position. One of the many rumours, it's that time of year, was De Boer from Ajax to Everton. I suspect both of us would take him as well. Who would you want in? Any good suggestions will be forwarded on.....

 

[Papas1982]

From World Champions to Everton? Yes please although I suspect his sights are higher. I guess we could put the same question to you if Koeman moves on as as we have agreed both clubs are in a similar position. One of the many rumours, it's that time of year, was De Boer from Ajax to Everton. I suspect both of us would take him as well. Who would you want in? Any good suggestions will be forwarded on.....

Well as we won't need to worry till next season. It will depend who will be flavour of the month. I'd take mourinho if UTD still haven't signed him, Ranieri wasn't fancied by Leicester either. There aren't many names of out work that I fancy and feel our dilemma will be similar to yours as to who we can tempt. Both Rodgers and Martinez play high pace football that we try towards, but neither can sort a defence. Intl wise then I heard murmurings before Koeman about Cocu, but that may have just been lazy journalism.

 

[Liverbirdie]

From World Champions to Everton? Yes please although I suspect his sights are higher. I guess we could put the same question to you if Koeman moves on as as we have agreed both clubs are in a similar position. One of the many rumours, it's that time of year, was De Boer from Ajax to Everton. I suspect both of us would take him as well. Who would you want in? Any good suggestions will be forwarded on.....

Eddie Howe at Bournemouth said he was a blue as a kid - would you have him?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

LB - I would have him whether he was a blue as a kid or not. I never get tied up in the whole former player, local lad, fan hysteria. Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley didn't do too badly for your boys and they had no link. Better to get someone decent than a fan who is average. Howe has done a good job at Bournemouth, very good. His team play a good brand of football, important, and he seems to be able to organise well. I like the idea of keeping a British manager where possible and Howe fits that.

Would I take him over Benitez? Tougher question after the last couple of years.

 

[Liverbirdie]

LB - I would have him whether he was a blue as a kid or not. I never get tied up in the whole former player, local lad, fan hysteria. Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley didn't do too badly for your boys and they had no link. Better to get someone decent than a fan who is average. Howe has done a good job at Bournemouth, very good. His team play a good brand of football, important, and he seems to be able to organise well. I like the idea of keeping a British manager where possible and Howe fits that.

Would I take him over Benitez? Tougher question after the last couple of years.

I know what you mean, I dont always buy into "he knows the club inside out" thing, but it can help. Other credentials are as important.

BTW Bob Paisley was at Anfield for over 50 years as player, trainer, bricklayer (built the dugouts himself) asst manager etc, so he did have a massive link before being a manager. Shankly didnt tough.:thup:

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I didn't know that. I know he was a Co Durham bloke but not being a red I did not know the full history.

 

[pbrown7582]

I know what you mean, I dont always buy into "he knows the club inside out" thing, but it can help. Other credentials are as important.

BTW Bob Paisley was at Anfield for over 50 years as player, trainer, bricklayer (built the dugouts himself) asst manager etc, so he did have a massive link before being a manager. Shankly didnt tough.:thup:

I can think of someone who left yous and did alright for himself.........

 

[Liverbirdie]

I can think of someone who left yous and did alright for himself.........

Yes, Mr. Busby was an ex. Liverpool stalwart and captain, and was offered our managers job, but didnt take it as the board picked the team in them days, as a lot of them did.

See, all your early success down to us, also. :thup:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes, Mr. Busby was an ex. Liverpool stalwart and captain, and was offered our managers job, but didnt take it as the board picked the team in them days, as a lot of them did.

See, all your early success down to us, also. :thup:

If it wasn't for Everton, there'd be no LPool........Fact

 

[Liverbirdie]

If it wasn't for Everton, there'd be no LPool........Fact

I dont think a club not being able to pay the rent, is a good basis for success.:whoo:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I dont think a club not being able to pay the rent, is a good basis for success.:whoo:

Still doesn't change the facts though