Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
But that's exactly what you are doing in giving them a pass as to when they will apply their high moral standards and when they choose to ignore them.
Justin Thomas dumped
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But that's exactly what you are doing in giving them a pass as to when they will apply their high moral standards and when they choose to ignore them.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
Can't you deal with this Phil??....... & at the same time address those Snowdrops who started accusing folk of being Woky Woky, Snowflakes & bed-wetters etc..... lots of very naive stuff coming out on here.
I look forward to the Golf-bodies finding a solution to this in a similar way to tennis or did you not read that bit? In the meanwhile, I'll leave you with it.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Whatever it was that JT said to himself - he said to himself. That it was picked up is very unfortunate for JT. But though he was not at that moment being directly derogatory towards any individual or group, he most certainly does have to reflect and ask himself why he chose to call himself what he did - in a pique or fit of frustration. Something inside JT's thinking and background had the word or phrase sitting in the box called 'insult'.
He has to accept and know that it is unacceptable to have such a word or phrase so pigeon-holed, and then move it out of that box into the box called 'Unacceptable - do not use - ever'. But he has to know inside himself - not just intellectually - that he has it in the wrong box.
Like many - I did - many years ago now - come to understand and know that the P word had to be moved out of the box that was called 'Acceptable Description of an Ethnic Minority' into that 'Unacceptable...' box. And there it stays. I wasn't being beaten up that made me move it. It was actually not 'education' about the word per se - I knew what it meant. I just had to deal with my squinty thinking. And that is really much of what JT has to do - he's already done the public admitting wrong bit.
He has to accept and know that it is unacceptable to have such a word or phrase so pigeon-holed, and then move it out of that box into the box called 'Unacceptable - do not use - ever'. But he has to know inside himself - not just intellectually - that he has it in the wrong box.
Like many - I did - many years ago now - come to understand and know that the P word had to be moved out of the box that was called 'Acceptable Description of an Ethnic Minority' into that 'Unacceptable...' box. And there it stays. I wasn't being beaten up that made me move it. It was actually not 'education' about the word per se - I knew what it meant. I just had to deal with my squinty thinking. And that is really much of what JT has to do - he's already done the public admitting wrong bit.
KenL
Tour Rookie
@mods . Time to can this now the insults have started???
rudebhoy
Q-School Graduate
Have said this a couple of times on here, but I'll say it again. I'm not defending RL, I'm pointing out that big business is always going to do what's best for big business. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm merely pointing out a fact.
Do I think JT has been harshly treated by RL? Yes I do, but at the end of the day, all they care about is their reputation and stock price. I can understand why they have taken that course of action - that's not the same as saying I agree with it.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
The Name-calling/Labeling started a long time back in the thread, Ken.
The thing is they can give it out but they can't take it!!
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Or just deal with the perpetrators?
2blue
Journeyman Pro
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
Solutions to this unacceptable behaviour is the perpetrator and the people who heard him say it hearing JT give a sincere apology for using the term (not directed at anyone but admonishing himself). Which he did. Everybody learns that a term that at one point was more harmless in nature is nowadays in the "bad" box as has happened with many other words and phrases that have gone from acceptable to not. But unless there a public execution you will never be happy. As previously said, what could have been a win win for thr wokey brigade is now in danger of backfiring.
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I disagree. When you charge upwards of £80 for a polo shirt I think you have huge margins of profit that give you the freedom of choice to pay higher manufacturing costs. As a corporation RL are starting to look very hypocritical as a result of this incident.
GB72
Money List Winner
The cynic in me sees this as a no lose situation for the brand. They act quickly, dump the person in question and then can dine out on the positive headlines that this gleans whilst also taking the cost of someone they sponsor off the books safe in the knowledge that he is unlikely to be the face of any of their competitors clothing lines for the foreseeable future.
Beezerk
Money List Winner
I'm guessing 99% of Ralph Laurent wearers won't have even heard of Justin Thomas never mind this particular story.
sunshine
Well-known member
Can't see this back firing on Ralph Lauren. They are not big in golf, and outside of golf nobody cares about golf.
The best thing that JT can do now is publicly come out as gay / bi / non binary. Would be a tremendous marketing opportunity for a redemption story to enhance his brand.
The best thing that JT can do now is publicly come out as gay / bi / non binary. Would be a tremendous marketing opportunity for a redemption story to enhance his brand.
KenL
Tour Rookie
Ridiculous!
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Did anything happen to Garcia when he made his racist remarks about tiger?
Whilst both comments are acceptable one was aimed at someone directly
Whilst both comments are acceptable one was aimed at someone directly
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Ultimately the tour will deal with this behind close doors, the public see JT losing a main sponsor and so as far as the public see it its done. The problem remains and will remain to be whether JT fully understands the widespread issues his actions caused and whether he will/can change his mindset to that behaviour being unacceptable. For my tuppence worth I don't think he has/will and will see it just a case of being caught out. That's sad but sometimes people have behaviours so entrenched nothing is going to change that.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
About that we don't really know.
What is needed for the future is a set of rules that give no doubt as to how such demeanors are treated........ set fines & possible 'defaults' for the most serious such as JT's.
The 'ol 'Snow-drop brigade' need to realize those audible profanities can't just be apologized away, but need to be outlawed & dealt with as in Tennis & would be the case in Snooker...... though I've never heard of any in the latter despite it providing many more opportunities.
Such 'Potty-mouth' behaviour, as our Lady members so quaintly term it, has no place in golf as it's neither clever nor smart.
..... I can see getting knee-deep in petals presently.sunshine
Well-known member
Why would he want to dress like Rickie Fowler?
KenL
Tour Rookie
Think you meant unacceptable.
sunshine
Well-known member
Maybe RL contacted JT and suggested a collaborative plan to move forward together, and JT told them to get stuffed (and called them a bunch of f-words). And this is RL's response. Lot of support for JT on this thread, but none of us know what he's really like. He could be a top bloke, we just don't know.