Jeremy Corbyn

SocketRocket said:
Et Al is a Latin phrase for 'and others'
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Yep, and El Al is an airline from Israel, which given his support for Palestine and his links to Hamas, Jeremy Corbyn is unlikely to be a fan of.

But I guess if I'm having to explain the joke then it didn't really work in the first place.
 
Doesn't matter how I float my vote team blue gets the nod in these parts whatever... And, yes I am fully aware there are many seats where the same goes for team red... There's simply not enough marginal seats...

Can see both main parties 'splintering' in forthcoming elections...
 
MegaSteve said:
Doesn't matter how I float my vote team blue gets the nod in these parts whatever... And, yes I am fully aware there are many seats where the same goes for team red... There's simply not enough marginal seats...

Can see both main parties 'splintering' in forthcoming elections...
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I live in one of those red areas and yes a pig in a red rosette would serve us better. We have an interesting one coming up this Thursday. We are having a regional mayor forced on us, we voted against it a few years ago but hey, what do votes / referendums matter? The main parties have candidates but there is also a strong independent. Whilst I don't want a mayor I'm hoping the independent gets in, yes I will be voting even if it rains, really hard 😄. It will be a good test to see if voters can get past the usual suspects.
 
Hobbit said:
I think Cameron taking his ball home was disgraceful. It was a Tory manifesto pledge which, surprisingly, they honoured.

BUT it was the House of Commons that voted overwhelmingly to abdicate the responsibility to the people by making it a public vote via a referendum, and it was the same House that voted overwhelmingly to trigger Article 50.

The deal, in large part, is what the EU would give. What's in that deal isn't totally May's fault, although its so poor it should have been walk away at that point. Leaving without a deal is one point in time. Deals would signed thereafter as its in the best interests of both sides.

However, this is the Corbyn thread. Have you ever seen, or not seen, such an invisible Labour leader. He's had chance after chance to make hay over Tory failings. A decent Labour leader, and a unified party, would have been in power by now.
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It is the Corbyn thread and the way some people prefer to criticise is to deflect.

Brexit, imo, is a perfect example of this, him or any other politician really couldn’t do anything until “the deal” was published, that deal was defeated by historical amounts, she then brings it back twice, unchanged, before inviting other parties for discussions.

On what planet can any of that be used against Corbyn, unless, they are saying he should of supported the deal regardless and if that is going to thrown about, then please start with the tories.

People forget how much fun tories had joining the Labour Party and voting for him.

Certainly not a supporter of Corbyn in any way, shape or form, but those opposed to the Labour Party keep slinging mud and look for excuses rather than looking at the facts.
 
pauldj42 said:
It is the Corbyn thread and the way some people prefer to criticise is to deflect.

Brexit, imo, is a perfect example of this, him or any other politician really couldn’t do anything until “the deal” was published, that deal was defeated by historical amounts, she then brings it back twice, unchanged, before inviting other parties for discussions.

On what planet can any of that be used against Corbyn, unless, they are saying he should of supported the deal regardless and if that is going to thrown about, then please start with the tories.

People forget how much fun tories had joining the Labour Party and voting for him.

Certainly not a supporter of Corbyn in any way, shape or form, but those opposed to the Labour Party keep slinging mud and look for excuses rather than looking at the facts.
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Did you not read what I'd put? Labour agreed to support the deal if May could get the political declaration changed. And when she got it changed Labour whipped their MP's to vote against it. I'm not disagreeing that May and the Tories are chaotic but Labour, and Corbyn, are no better.
 
Hobbit said:
Did you not read what I'd put? Labour agreed to support the deal if May could get the political declaration changed. And when she got it changed Labour whipped their MP's to vote against it. I'm not disagreeing that May and the Tories are chaotic but Labour, and Corbyn, are no better.
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Can you show me were Bri, I can’t find nothing were Labour said that, the only thing I found was if she made changes to the Political Declaration that future tory governments couldn’t change then separate votes could be considered.
 
pauldj42 said:
Can you show me were Bri, I can’t find nothing were Labour said that, the only thing I found was if she made changes to the Political Declaration that future tory governments couldn’t change then separate votes could be considered.
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I can't find a decent link, other than a couple of short pieces. Apparently, Kier Starmer said that Labour doesn't oppose the WA but can't vote it through because the political declaration is too vague. That led May to seeking clarifications from the EU on the PD, which she received. John Healey of the shadow cabinet also said "we won't reopen the WA, and accept it, but the PD needs to change."

When May brought the deal back to parliament the last time she only brought back the WA. The WA that Labour said they wouldn't oppose. Maybe she was calling Labour's (sanctimonious) bluff. Maybe she's playing her own political game with Labour, i.e. on the outside looking like she's compromising but in reality she isn't - who knows.

And the Tories can't change the PD without agreement with the EU. So why are Labour laying that at the Tory's door?

Labour are heaping their own bit of chaos on things in the hope of forcing a GE.
 
Hobbit said:
However, this is the Corbyn thread. Have you ever seen, or not seen, such an invisible Labour leader. He's had chance after chance to make hay over Tory failings. A decent Labour leader, and a unified party, would have been in power by now.
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While I agree about Corbyn being a 'poor' leader - 'invisible' is the wrong word imo; his weaknesses/failings are all too visible! - there's no way that any opposition would be able to trigger a GE currently - and they would be daft to do so anyway!
 
Hobbit said:
I can't find a decent link, other than a couple of short pieces. Apparently, Kier Starmer said that Labour doesn't oppose the WA but can't vote it through because the political declaration is too vague. That led May to seeking clarifications from the EU on the PD, which she received. John Healey of the shadow cabinet also said "we won't reopen the WA, and accept it, but the PD needs to change."

When May brought the deal back to parliament the last time she only brought back the WA. The WA that Labour said they wouldn't oppose. Maybe she was calling Labour's (sanctimonious) bluff. Maybe she's playing her own political game with Labour, i.e. on the outside looking like she's compromising but in reality she isn't - who knows.

And the Tories can't change the PD without agreement with the EU. So why are Labour laying that at the Tory's door?

Labour are heaping their own bit of chaos on things in the hope of forcing a GE.
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Sorry Bri, I’ve spent over an hour trying to find what you said and found nothing except a few sound bites.
What I did find was Labour stating quite a few times is both the PA & WD are connected and without the changes to the PA they wouldn’t support them as separate votes.

I’d suggest they are laying that at TM’s door is the fact she is the only one that can actually stand up to and speak to the EU in an official capacity.
 
pauldj42 said:
Sorry Bri, I’ve spent over an hour trying to find what you said and found nothing except a few sound bites.
What I did find was Labour stating quite a few times is both the PA & WD are connected and without the changes to the PA they wouldn’t support them as separate votes.

I’d suggest they are laying that at TM’s door is the fact she is the only one that can actually stand up to and speak to the EU in an official capacity.
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I can find plenty on the changes agreed to the PD but only one piece about Labour whipping its MP's, and that was to do with a confirmatory referendum. The only bit I've found on Labour agreeing to the WA is on Guido Fawkes, which is like posting a link to Wings.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
The wind of change is coming.
Scotland left with no Tory, one SLAB and two Lieb Dems MP's
On those predictions we are in for Labour having a 6 seat minority at Westminster.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/area_scot.html
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Interesting point is that Labour will have that position with exactly the same starting percentage as when this thread started.
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Stopped reading it when in the first sentance it said "predicted". It is a prediction and if anyone can accurately predict what is happening in this most tumultuous political climate ever then he is a better man than me. It's only use on paper it to be hung on a nail in the outside toilet. 👍
 
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