In their own respective way, they’re both as bad as each other.
Jeremy Corbyn
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In their own respective way, they’re both as bad as each other.
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Cannot think of any current politician or party that I either respect or trust.
Red, blue, green, yellow, purple or tartan, as my dear old Dad would have said "I wouldn't pay 'em in washers".
It has often been said that a society gets the politicians it deserves but I struggle to see what we have done to deserve this lot.
SocketRocket
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Maybe you can show where I am a supporter of Boris or Et Al whoever he is.
A little pointer for you. If you want to disagree with a comment then do it by replying with a counter. Making an attempt at stick throwing makes you look juvenile.
ColchesterFC
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Was it a typo? Are you a big fan of the Israeli airline?
And just so the mods don't think this comment is off-topic, I'm pretty sure Jeremy Corbyn isn't.
Tashyboy
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And yet Hobbit, some people still cannot or do not want to see that or agree with that.ðŸ‘
chrisd
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Can you imagine her attempting the countdown 10, 9, urr um dont tell me, 6? ........
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You really need to take a look in the mirror! It’s never you is it!
There is only one person, one party responsible for the Brexit mess, TM and the tories! I’d suggest they get there house in order before they or their followers blame anyone else.
Slime
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Wrong ............................. you're just wrong.
Take off the blinkers and you may realise that they are ALL responsible.
To be fair, they don't have to agree. Its politics. Its about opinions and political choices. Someone thinking Corbyn is the next messiah is right in their eyes and wrong in the eyes of others.
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In your opinion, fact is, one Party had a majority, one party led the negotiations, so for someone to say he is working against it whilst ignoring their own culpability is laughable imo.
The Tories are to blame for different elements of it. Equally, perhaps not equally but also culpable is Labour. Labour are playing party politics with it, using it as a vehicle to oust the Tories and get into power. You've only got to look at the arguments within the Labour Party this week to see how fractured and divided they are over the manifesto pledge for Brexit. The executive still won't get off the fence and declare their path to Brexit, and appear to be looking to go against the rank and file Labour supporters.
May's withdrawal agreement; Labour said they would support it if May could get an agreement from the EU on the political declaration. She said the EU wouldn't separate one from the other but did get that agreement from the EU. Shock of shocks! When May then took her agreement back to parliament Labour whipped their MP's to vote against it.
Lets not forget, over 30% of Labour voters voted for Brexit. I don't see Labour behaving any better in parliament than the Tories in delivering Brexit.
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I get that now Brian (I voted to leave, with a deal) as this what this mess has evolved into.
The mess was created from minute 1 when Cameron put it in the manifesto, walked away when it went t!ts up.
TM calling a GE and then her mindset and handling over negotiations are well documented, she broke her own party up over her deal and now Labour won’t support her “bad†deal they are being held responsible.
Lots of if and buts, however, the tories led us down this path and now deflect on to every man and his dog rather than take responsibility.
Tashyboy
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Which is exactly why I wrote post 2465 👠Some people are not willing to accept there have been massive mistakes on both sides. It is not a competition for who has Made the biggest mistakes or who has told the biggest lies. At some point or other May, Corbyn, Bercow, Obama, Boris, Jimmy Krankie, Farage have all made mistakes and used Brexit to further there own political careers.
drdel
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I'm not sure its 'mistakes'; some MPs have deliberately set out to frustrate the democratic process of Art 50 and subsequent legal Acts.
Let's not forget eamples like Yvette Cooper whose constituents voted 60+% to leave a person who stated she'd honour the referendum result yet has chosen to ignore her voters and contradict her own words - like many from the various factions in the HoC there are very few who come out of this as a "Right Honourable..."
SocketRocket
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You can't help yourself, can you. You need to take a dose of your own medicine. I have already said the lot of them are to blame but your labour protectionist filter missed that one.
I challenge you to show proof of my support for Boris, May or anyone else come to that. I pass comment on the subject in debate which is Ok I take it.
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I think Cameron taking his ball home was disgraceful. It was a Tory manifesto pledge which, surprisingly, they honoured.
BUT it was the House of Commons that voted overwhelmingly to abdicate the responsibility to the people by making it a public vote via a referendum, and it was the same House that voted overwhelmingly to trigger Article 50.
The deal, in large part, is what the EU would give. What's in that deal isn't totally May's fault, although its so poor it should have been walk away at that point. Leaving without a deal is one point in time. Deals would signed thereafter as its in the best interests of both sides.
However, this is the Corbyn thread. Have you ever seen, or not seen, such an invisible Labour leader. He's had chance after chance to make hay over Tory failings. A decent Labour leader, and a unified party, would have been in power by now.
SocketRocket
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Et Al is a Latin phrase for 'and others'Was it a typo? Are you a big fan of the Israeli airline?
And just so the mods don't think this comment is off-topic, I'm pretty sure Jeremy Corbyn isn't.
Tashyboy
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Agreed " mistakes" was probably, the wrong word. I suppose I could of inserted lies, dishonesty, flippant with truth, backstabbing, political manoeuvring etc etc. Again where I screwed up after the list of names I gave I should of put etc etc. yvette cooper and lord knows how many others could of been on that list. However here's one to debate.
There is a list of whos who that have shafted the public re this Brexit malarkey. But is there any politician that has
" done well" in the same period.
Tashyboy
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That last sentance sums it up perfectly, Corbyn just does not connect with floating voters. Die hard Labour fans can scream " Oooooooooooooooh Jeremy Corbyn" all they want, but they are not the ones that will put him into power. It's people like me and Missis T, floating voters. And millions of others. Personally I don't feel sorry for him, he is the one eyed king in the valley of the labour blind. The ones who I blame are the very people that have put him on a pedestal that is sat on quicksand.
Come the local elections and European elections, the Tories are not going to get a bloody nose, it's going to be broken. But it will not be because of Labour policies. It will be because of an inept May/ Tory party. There is a massive differance.
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Both are pretty awful right now.
Corbyn. IRA fine. Hamas and Hezbollah fine. But boycotting POTUS. Ok. I see.
Corbyn. IRA fine. Hamas and Hezbollah fine. But boycotting POTUS. Ok. I see.
