Jeremy Corbyn

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm not certain I could agree with you in the case of Putin.

Cannot recall a time since WW 2 when the two "superpowers" were simultaneously led by two such unstable characters.

In fact, due to the American political system and the resulting limits on the President's powers, one could argue that Trump is marginally less dangerous.

Personally though I wouldn't trust either.

As to the OP I am of the view that it is a State visit and, thus, Trump will be here as the representative of the USA. Therefore, in my eyes, it is not the individual that is being snubbed but the nation that has been an ally in two World Wars.

Putin’s been in power on and off since 2000, the world is a far more unstable now than it’s been for years.
As for the State visit, Corbyn’s invite is no more important than anyone else who has turned it down, imo, it’s certainly less than Bercow’s who is meant to be impartial and represent all sides of the house.
As for snubbing a nation! Not for me, 99% of Yanks won’t even know who Corbyn is and plenty of Yanks funded the IRA for years and yet we should care about their feelings!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Corbyn was invited in his official capacity of Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition.

As for Putin it has taken until the last few years for him to establish greater control and reverse much of the progress made towards democracy under his predecessors. He is acting in character as a former KGB officer.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Corbyn was invited in his official capacity of Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition.

As for Putin it has taken until the last few years for him to establish greater control and reverse much of the progress made towards democracy under his predecessors. He is acting in character as a former KGB officer.

I’ve no time for Corbyn, but I’m content to see any politician actually stand up for what they believe.
I think less of him or any other politician that says one thing publicly and then does the opposite.

 

[SocketRocket]

Our politicians seem to believe being an MP is all about themselves, Brexit has revealed to us their self edifying politics and how pathetic they have become.

Bercow is a disgrace, he isn't impartial and epitomises this ugly trait, Corbyn is using his position to promote his personal ambitions, everything is done to try and grab the keys of power so he can apply his destructive policies before his age restricts him.

Trump has been invited to a state visit, our representatives acting like petulant children makes our country appear petty and pathetic but that's nothing new, they have already all but destroyed any respect we held on the world stage.

 

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[Tashyboy]

I don’t think TM quite fits that scenario.

Hmm the thought of Diane Abbott with her finger on the nuke launch button.

 

[Tashyboy]

A PP said to me the other day when summarising Corbyn " he is an activist not a politician". Thought it summed him up nicely.

 

[SocketRocket]

I’ve no time for Corbyn, but I’m content to see any politician actually stand up for what they believe.
I think less of him or any other politician that says one thing publicly and then does the opposite.

Yes, like promising to honour the outcome of a referendum and then working against it.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I’ve no time for Corbyn, but I’m content to see any politician actually stand up for what they believe.
I think less of him or any other politician that says one thing publicly and then does the opposite.

There's a time and place for politicians and similarly one for statesmen.

This is an example of the latter.

 

[Tashyboy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48076262

How ironic, the above story is exactly what I was on about when Trump sticks up for his country. He has pulled the USA out of this treaty because China and Russia has not and will not sign up to it. In essence giving them a free hand in trading arms to dodgy countries. Like the UK does with Saudi Arabia.
In an ideal world he should not have to do this, like he should not of had to pull out of the Paris climate agreement, but once more the USA was at a trade disadvantage when China and India etc were not signed up to it at the same time as everyone else.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes, like promising to honour the outcome of a referendum and then working against it.

Seriously!! 😂😂😂 From a supporter of Boris et al.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48076262

How ironic, the above story is exactly what I was on about when Trump sticks up for his country. He has pulled the USA out of this treaty because China and Russia has not and will not sign up to it. In essence giving them a free hand in trading arms to dodgy countries. Like the UK does with Saudi Arabia.
In an ideal world he should not have to do this, like he should not of had to pull out of the Paris climate agreement, but once more the USA was at a trade disadvantage when China and India etc were not signed up to it at the same time as everyone else.

Tash, it’s about American rich becoming richer, nothing to do with what other Countries sign up to.
Surely the right thing to do is stay signed up and push the other Countries in to doing the right thing.
Even the report states the NRA saying it goes against their 2nd Amendment.

 

[Tashyboy]

Tash, it’s about American rich becoming richer, nothing to do with what other Countries sign up to.
Surely the right thing to do is stay signed up and push the other Countries in to doing the right thing.
Even the report states the NRA saying it goes against their 2nd Amendment.

You won't get any arguements from me Paul and I totally agree, but if the USA and the UN cannot persuade China the USSR and India to sort out its arms dealing, environmental issues etc etc. What does Trump do. If it means levelling the playing field, or tipping the scales USAs way and in essence protecting jobs,economy then he is going to do it.

 

[Hobbit]

The president of the USA represents the country and people, a people who sent thousands of their sons and daughters to fight and die with us in WW1, WW2 and other conflicts. For Corbyn Bercow and others to disrespect the post (the idiots doing a good enough job on his own) shows what kind of people they really are.

PS, the invite comes from HM so disrespectful to the crown as well.

In June I'll be at Omaha beach for the 75th anniversary commemoration, and I'll have a tear in my eye when I'm in the US cemetery there during the 3 days I'll be visiting the beaches/bridges/museums. How I feel towards Americans and what my feelings are for Trump are two very different things. Respect the post I agree with but that doesn't mean respect the man.

As its an invite from HM I'm inclined to agree it should be honoured but I would ask the question would the Queen really invite Trump, or in reality does the invite come from HM's govt?

As for Bercow; his lack of impartiality is almost legend now. As a 'referee' for the HoC he is well beyond the pale now. Some of the tough decisions he's made, well done to him, but its the bias that I'd question.

 

[Hobbit]

Tash, it’s about American rich becoming richer, nothing to do with what other Countries sign up to.
Surely the right thing to do is stay signed up and push the other Countries in to doing the right thing.
Even the report states the NRA saying it goes against their 2nd Amendment.

Its amazing how Trump has used sanctions over Iran and the oil dealings but on this issue is quite happy to let US arms Companies trade. Sounds a tadge hypocritical?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You won't get any arguements from me Paul and I totally agree, but if the USA and the UN cannot persuade China the USSR and India to sort out its arms dealing, environmental issues etc etc. What does Trump do. If it means levelling the playing field, or tipping the scales USAs way and in essence protecting jobs,economy then he is going to do it.

Even at the cost of lives and further damage to the environment?

 

[Tashyboy]

Even at the cost of lives and further damage to the environment?

Not at all. But Trump Or any other world leader is not the person who will stop damage to the environment or loss of life. The person who will stop that is the person that stops buying rammel from China or oil and gas from Russia. The person is us. 👍

 

[Imurg]

In June I'll be at Omaha beach for the 75th anniversary commemoration, and I'll have a tear in my eye when I'm in the US cemetery there during the 3 days I'll be visiting the beaches/bridges/museums. How I feel towards Americans and what my feelings are for Trump are two very different things. Respect the post I agree with but that doesn't mean respect the man.

As its an invite from HM I'm inclined to agree it should be honoured but I would ask the question would the Queen really invite Trump, or in reality does the invite come from HM's govt?

As for Bercow; his lack of impartiality is almost legend now. As a 'referee' for the HoC he is well beyond the pale now. Some of the tough decisions he's made, well done to him, but its the bias that I'd question.

It could be said that she ( or the Government) has invited POTUS....not Trump as such. It just happens to be him so he's coming along.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not at all. But Trump Or any other world leader is not the person who will stop damage to the environment or loss of life. The person who will stop that is the person that stops buying rammel from China or oil and gas from Russia. The person is us. 👍

So 2 wrongs make a right?
Surely he should be pressurising us not to deal with them rather than leaving all these agreements!
It’s school ground behaviour!

 

[MegaSteve]

Sorry people but, no matter how much you whinge about the red team isn't, for me, disguising how appalling the blue team is doing right now...