Jeremy Corbyn

[Imurg]

God forbid he ever becomes PM but if he does then he's going to have to do business with Trump or people like him whether he likes it or not.
When you lead a Country you can't pick and choose who you talk to
Shows him to be a poor candidate for Leader of anything in my eyes.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't...?

TBH, I think he's got it right on this one. Just because Trump is POTUS doesn't make him a nice person, nor one who might be given blind respect. Personally, I agree with the majority of my American friends. He's a disgusting man.

Disagree with you on this one Hobbit - not on anything you've said about Trump as I agree with all of that but on Corbyn getting it right. Corbyn wants to be Prime Minister of this country yet is prepared to snub the leader of one of our closest allies. I think in this instance he should (if he feels it necessary) just make his feelings known and then suck it up and attend.

EDIT - it also looks like there is opposition from MPs for Trump to address Parliament. Both Obama and Clinton addressed Parliament on their visits here so I'm not sure thatthey should be preventing Trump from doing the same.

 

[Tashyboy]

So in essence, the leader of a pathetic excuse for an opposition party. A party riddled with anti Jewish supporters. Will not attend a state dinner for Trumpy because he accuses the POTUS of using "racist and misogynist rhetoric".

Enjoy the pot noodle for one Jezza

 

[Tashyboy]

Disagree with you on this one Hobbit - not on anything you've said about Trump as I agree with all of that but on Corbyn getting it right. Corbyn wants to be Prime Minister of this country yet is prepared to snub the leader of one of our closest allies. I think in this instance he should (if he feels it necessary) just make his feelings known and then suck it up and attend.

EDIT - it also looks like there is opposition from MPs for Trump to address Parliament. Both Obama and Clinton addressed Parliament on their visits here so I'm not sure thatthey should be preventing Trump from doing the same.

Say what you want about Trump, he sure ain't everyone's cup of tea. But he was democratically elected. Now seeing as democracy isn't flavour of the month, it shouldn't come as a suprise that some folk/ the professionally offended don't want him here. But this is the bit that I cannot get my head around. People support him, they support Farage. Why? Because they are saying things that folk can relate to. At a time when May and Corbyn are a million miles from being in touch with the ordinary man. You have a president that is sticking up for his country, for his people. It's something that May, may want to consider. If Clinton had been voted as POTUS, would she of been allowed to address Parliment.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Just seen that Corbyn, Bercow and Cable all attended a state banquet for President Xi of China. So that will be China that has no elections, freedom of expression or basic human rights but they are unwilling to attend a banquet for a man that was freely elected President of the USA.

 

[Hobbit]

Say what you want about Trump, he sure ain't everyone's cup of tea. But he was democratically elected. Now seeing as democracy isn't flavour of the month, it shouldn't come as a suprise that some folk/ the professionally offended don't want him here. But this is the bit that I cannot get my head around. People support him, they support Farage. Why? Because they are saying things that folk can relate to. At a time when May and Corbyn are a million miles from being in touch with the ordinary man. You have a president that is sticking up for his country, for his people. It's something that May, may want to consider. If Clinton had been voted as POTUS, would she of been allowed to address Parliment.

"Democratically elected."

Just seen that Corbyn, Bercow and Cable all attended a state banquet for President Xi of China. So that will be China that has no elections, freedom of expression or basic human rights but they are unwilling to attend a banquet for a man that was freely elected President of the USA.

"Freely elected."

Big business buys the presidency in the USA. Without millions upon millions of campaign dollars a candidate doesn't get anywhere near a nomination let alone be elected. You're holding up the American system as the model of democracy? Oh me sides.

I don't like Corbyn's politics one jot but... Trump.... oh c'mon, surely you're not serious?

 

[ColchesterFC]

"Freely elected."

Big business buys the presidency in the USA. Without millions upon millions of campaign dollars a candidate doesn't get anywhere near a nomination let alone be elected. You're holding up the American system as the model of democracy? Oh me sides.

I don't like Corbyn's politics one jot but... Trump.... oh c'mon, surely you're not serious?

"Freely elected" as in there was an election in which people were free to put their cross against the candidate that they wanted. The American people got to choose between Donald Trump (who had millions of dollars behind him) or Hilary Clinton (who had millions of dollars behind her). The Chinese people got President Xi whether they liked it or not but it seems that Corbyn thinks it's OK to sit down for dinner with Xi but not Trump.

 

[Hobbit]

"Freely elected" as in there was an election in which people were free to put their cross against the candidate that they wanted. The American people got to choose between Donald Trump (who had millions of dollars behind him) or Hilary Clinton (who had millions of dollars behind her). The Chinese people got President Xi whether they liked it or not but it seems that Corbyn thinks it's OK to sit down for dinner with Xi but not Trump.

I'm not disputing what went on, and goes on, in China. Nor am I condoning Corbyn's actions in sitting down with Xi. However, millions spent on propaganda by both sides in America doesn't promote the best person for the job, it promotes the choice of big businesses. If you think that's ok, fine. Do you honestly condone Trump's behaviour towards women? Do you think he's a decent and honourable man?

I'd lump Trump in with Xi, Putin and KJY.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I'm not disputing what went on, and goes on, in China. Nor am I condoning Corbyn's actions in sitting down with Xi. However, millions spent on propaganda by both sides in America doesn't promote the best person for the job, it promotes the choice of big businesses. If you think that's ok, fine. Do you honestly condone Trump's behaviour towards women? Do you think he's a decent and honourable man?

I'd lump Trump in with Xi, Putin and KJY.

I condone very little of what Trump has said/done, least of all his attitude towards women, and I certainly don't think he's decent or honourable. But your last sentence is the important one. Lumping "Trump in with Xi, Putin and KJY" is exactly right. Yet Corbyn was happy to sit down for dinner with Xi. Personally I would have sat down for dinner with both or neither, but by refusing the invitation to dinner with Trump, after dining with Xi, looks to me to be simply an opportunity to score cheap points from Corbyn.

 

[drdel]

I'm not disputing what went on, and goes on, in China. Nor am I condoning Corbyn's actions in sitting down with Xi. However, millions spent on propaganda by both sides in America doesn't promote the best person for the job, it promotes the choice of big businesses. If you think that's ok, fine. Do you honestly condone Trump's behaviour towards women? Do you think he's a decent and honourable man?

I'd lump Trump in with Xi, Putin and KJY.

I can't agree with your position on this.

JC is the UK's Leader of the Opposition and has a responsibility to act with professionalism and diplomacy when the UK has State visits from another Country's Leader. I'm sure that, like most of us, your professional responsibilities has meant meeting and greeting people who you do not like and would not wish to have in your social circle and private life but you get on with the task in hand in a professional manner.

IMO, rather like Bercow, Corbyn has come to believe that it is he personally that has been invited. These idiots have developed an arrogant belief that they are more important than the role they hold.

I think to refuse to participate in a formal event with the Leader of the UK's longest ally is crass and is simply related to personal grandstanding/ publicity seeking; it is simply juvenile acts more fitting to a school playground rather than acting in accord with diplomacy and statesmanship. Whatever our views of the personality of Trump he holds the position as a result of the USA's system and is the President: the UK's representatives should give his country's citizens the respect we would expect them to give our representatives.

 

[Tashyboy]

"Democratically elected."



"Freely elected."

Big business buys the presidency in the USA. Without millions upon millions of campaign dollars a candidate doesn't get anywhere near a nomination let alone be elected. You're holding up the American system as the model of democracy? Oh me sides.

I don't like Corbyn's politics one jot but... Trump.... oh c'mon, surely you're not serious?

Not saying I like him in fact he is quiet loathsome, but he stands up to China, he stands up to Kim, he stands up to mass migration, he stands up for American jobs, he stands up for the armed forces. If anyone else did that with out the baggage that comes with it they would be classed as a world class world leader. However as said, he does have his faults and there are many.
Compare that the the shower of *** that we have in May and Corbyn. Corbyn is not going to the state banquet is the news. Knowing Trumps record, am Suprised he never said " shove your state banquet, am not sitting between you two clowns, I have my image to protect ".

 

[User62651]

Not saying I like him in fact he is quiet loathsome, but he stands up to China, he stands up to Kim, he stands up to mass migration, he stands up for American jobs, he stands up for the armed forces. If anyone else did that with out the baggage that comes with it they would be classed as a world class world leader. However as said, he does have his faults and there are many.
Compare that the the shower of *** that we have in May and Corbyn. Corbyn is not going to the state banquet is the news. Knowing Trumps record, am Suprised he never said " shove your state banquet, am not sitting between you two clowns, I have my image to protect ".

Trump will like the Association with Royalty, photo ops with Queen and the pomp/occasion, makes him look statesmanlike. He's not interested in our average politicians, already called out May and UK politics be that wrt brexit or knife crime etc to get his view across. Doubt he even knows who Corbyn is. May is fawning for a new trade deal with US to make Brexit appear a success and have any kind of legacy as PM that isnt plain awful.. Only reason she would make this invitation given how much chaos/protests this will cause here.

If we think we've been played by the EU over Brexit, Trump will wipe the floor with us in any trade deal. He's looking out for US, not us, and has a 2nd term to try and win so has to protect US interests, period. He'll apply import tariffs in a heartbeat to protect US jobs.

 

[Imurg]

I can't agree with your position on this.

JC is the UK's Leader of the Opposition and has a responsibility to act with professionalism and diplomacy when the UK has State visits from another Country's Leader. I'm sure that, like most of us, your professional responsibilities has meant meeting and greeting people who you do not like and would not wish to have in your social circle and private life but you get on with the task in hand in a professional manner.

IMO, rather like Bercow, Corbyn has come to believe that it is he personally that has been invited. These idiots have developed an arrogant belief that they are more important than the role they hold.

I think to refuse to participate in a formal event with the Leader of the UK's longest ally is crass and is simply related to personal grandstanding/ publicity seeking; it is simply juvenile acts more fitting to a school playground rather than acting in accord with diplomacy and statesmanship. Whatever our views of the personality of Trump he holds the position as a result of the USA's system and is the President: the UK's representatives should give his country's citizens the respect we would expect them to give our representatives.

I'm looking at it with the view that this is making Corbyn even more un-electable so it can only be a good thing.

 

[Old Skier]

I'd lump Trump in with Xi, Putin and KJY.

Tad over the top IMO lumping him in with those three, I presume you are aware that the US is a free society and the leaders of the other three ensure their countries are not.

The man might be a homophobic rascits but I think his powers to kill off thousands of his own nationals is limited.

 

[Old Skier]

The president of the USA represents the country and people, a people who sent thousands of their sons and daughters to fight and die with us in WW1, WW2 and other conflicts. For Corbyn Bercow and others to disrespect the post (the idiots doing a good enough job on his own) shows what kind of people they really are.

PS, the invite comes from HM so disrespectful to the crown as well.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Tad over the top IMO lumping him in with those three, I presume you are aware that the US is a free society and the leaders of the other three ensure their countries are not.

The man might be a homophobic rascits but I think his powers to kill off thousands of his own nationals is limited.

I’d argue Trump is a bigger threat to World Peace than the other 3.

 

[Old Skier]

I’d argue Trump is a bigger threat to World Peace than the other 3.

I would put the leader of any nuclear power in that category.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I would put the leader of any nuclear power in that category.

I don’t think TM quite fits that scenario.

 

[Old Skier]

I don’t think TM quite fits that scenario.

She's a woman their capable of anything

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I’d argue Trump is a bigger threat to World Peace than the other 3.

I'm not certain I could agree with you in the case of Putin.

Cannot recall a time since WW 2 when the two "superpowers" were simultaneously led by two such unstable characters.

In fact, due to the American political system and the resulting limits on the President's powers, one could argue that Trump is marginally less dangerous.

Personally though I wouldn't trust either.

As to the OP I am of the view that it is a State visit and, thus, Trump will be here as the representative of the USA. Therefore, in my eyes, it is not the individual that is being snubbed but the nation that has been an ally in two World Wars.